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Should we look forward to the death/extinction of organized religion ?

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Started: 5/14/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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ProTTT

Pro

It'll be safe to say that man created god rather than the opposite, which sounds poorly thought out and gauche. The very reason of this stance is based on lack of evidence and absence of rationality in dealing with such an issue. In my opinion, it is completely okay to drag religion amidst this, since the three Abrahamic religions, Mormonism and populist Hinduism strongly advocate for God. In it's entire history, religion has been a strong force in dividing people and then taking turns killing them. Moreover, religion is not only a never-stopping machine of exaggerating claims and false promises but also an indeliberate mechanism which suspends one's logical faculties. Every religion has created it's god which is a father figure who seem to give less than a dime about Earthly activities yet claims to keep a close eye on everyone. He is a fabric of our imagination and an excuse for our darker sides. Religion on the other hand is a way devised to provide some pseudo-ethical values to people which have failed in the long run and majority,
Truth_seeker

Con

Pro has not given evidence to support his position that God was invented by man. Nazis have used science to create torture and pain upon Jews, should we then look forward to the extinction of science? By that logic, many ideas and systems would have to be exterminated because of a select few individuals who had misrepresented it. Pro doesn't point out in what ways God doesn't care about earthly activities neither supports it, thus i cannot give a thorough response to his argument.
Debate Round No. 1
ProTTT

Pro

It is sad to see that my opponent wasted a complete round just because he thought that I failed to clear up my stand. Well, you could have used the round to provide and elaborate on your own stand.
Well, science is known as a good servant but a bad master, and if you spare a moment to think about this, you"ll realize and anything and everything is a bad master. But, people have never been slaughtered in the name of science, scientists have never claimed to know-it-all, even if they did, it"s based on thorough evidence and solid proofs after countless experiments and hard work. Sadly, same cannot be said about religion, it has supernatural claims, ridiculous propagandas, subjugation for women and sexual repression. Moreover, it is based faith, which is believing in something because you believe in it because you believe it. Sounds peculiar to me.
Talking about Nazi exploitation of Science, they exploited religion more than anything. It is a popular myth that Hitler was an atheist, anyone who has read his autobiography Mein Kampf, can very well point out how religion and God were the strongest facets of the Nazi war propaganda, and he persecuted Jews because he thought they were "Incarnate denials of the beauty of God"s image and His creations." . Every soldier"s belt in Nazi Germany carried a motto, "God is with us." and 80% of Nazi officials were Roman Catholics.
Also, I"m absolutely convinced that God is man-made, since there is no scientific evidence to support his existence, and people within his order (religion) fight among themselves for their versions of him. Christianity has Catholics and Protestants. Islam has Shias and Sunnis. If there is a God, and these religious people boast about their know-all about him, then why do their views on him conflict? Such a phenomenon only happens to the things which are man-made. Everyone claims to have their version and that too, the correct one.
Talking about God not giving a damn, there are countless number of innocent people dying every day on this planet. COUNTLESS. Some die soon after birth because of hunger and filth, some because they are exploited, some because they don"t have rights, ironically all this can be chiefly traced to Middle East and Africa, where religion is flourishing. Majority of these innocent people are the believers in God, and if God decides to let them die, then he either he"s incompetent or he doesn"t give a damn.
Truth_seeker

Con

Pro's position is that there is no proof for God, however there is no solid reason why we should accept the existence of what is natural rather than an experience of what is divine. Pro points out the bad things that religion has done, but fails to point out the good. Religion has also helped build communities, give to charity, help prison inmates convert, feed the homeless and poor, stop starvation, etc.

"Sadly, same cannot be said about religion, it has supernatural claims, ridiculous propagandas, subjugation for women and sexual repression." Pro did not back this up with specific evidence.

" it is based faith, which is believing in something because you believe in it because you believe it"

Pro misunderstands the concept of faith from a biblical perspective. Faith in Hebrew means "aman" which means "to support" (Strongs #539). it's correct context is then to trust and support God, not blindly believing in something.

"people within his order (religion) fight among themselves for their versions of him. Christianity has Catholics and Protestants. Islam has Shias and Sunnis. If there is a God, and these religious people boast about their know-all about him, then why do their views on him conflict? Such a phenomenon only happens to the things which are man-made. Everyone claims to have their version and that too, the correct one."

Their views conflict for the very reason that any other views conflict: disagreement over what the truth is. Just as there are disagreements over evolution, does that imply that evolution isn't true? Pro's argument then doesn't make sense nor does it imply that God doesn't exist.

He then points out that because suffering exists, either he isn't as powerful as he claims or doesn't care, however that assumes a faulty and specific definition of good that God doesn't have to follow. Moreover, it is also flawed to assume God doesn't care as you don't know of his ultimate plan outlined in Scripture. Neither are you in a position to question God's actions, only to follow and obey him.
Debate Round No. 2
ProTTT

Pro

ProTTT forfeited this round.
Truth_seeker

Con

I wait for my opponent's reply, in the meantime, i would like to point out his error in choosing the extermination of religion on the basis of "bad representatives" vs. what is actually outlined in the faith.

I can use the same argument on atheists.

Alfred Kinsey was an atheist professor who exploited children for sex and was sadistic in his research

Napolean Bonaparte was an atheistic tyrant who ignored treaties, conquered Europe and other lands, and left 6 million dead Europeans in 1 generation.

Than Shwe was an atheist who took many rights away as he lives a luxurious lifestyle

Jim Jong 2 caused 4 million Koreans to die. He lives in luxury and invests in the military at the expense of his people. He also helped in assassinating South Korean leaders.

Jefferey Dahmer, brutally killed men and boys, dismembering them and storing their parts for cannibalism and necrophilia, saying "if a person doesn"t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what"s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?".

I can go on and on about "the evils of atheism", should we then look forward to the death of atheism? I doubt you would agree to end a whole system of beliefs based on a select few "bad individuals."
Debate Round No. 3
ProTTT

Pro

ProTTT forfeited this round.
Truth_seeker

Con

I will wait for my opponent to respond, but in the meantime, i would also like to point out that he failed to point out the good things that religion has done.

Christianity as well as other religions have helped build schools, communities, sheltered the poor and starving, charity, help people change, etc. Christianity for example teaches man to love his neighbor, to do good to all men, forgive those who have wronged you, stand up for the weak, fight for what is right in the eyes of God, and many other things. It promotes faith and understanding in God so that we can acknowledge who we are and trust in him so that he could better our lives in order to become better and unique individuals. With that in mind, religion should not be exterminated, but rather it is ignorance and evil itself which should be exterminated.
Debate Round No. 4
ProTTT

Pro

ProTTT forfeited this round.
Truth_seeker

Con

This debate is essentially over
Debate Round No. 5
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by ChristianPunk 3 years ago
ChristianPunk
I am interested in this concept. Though i'm Christian, to me, religion shouldn't be organized, but a spiritual mission for oneself. Organized religion leads to government which leads to tyranny, which leads to bigotry and hatred.
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Vote Placed by baus 3 years ago
baus
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