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Should we stop protecting Taiwan in return for Chinas peaceful resolution of the South China Sea

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Started: 1/9/2017 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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MehItsaName

Pro

I support the following plan: the United States should stop supplying Taiwan with weapons in return for peaceful resolution of the South China Sea.

1: Relations
A. The US/China relationship has reached a dangerous tipping point-overcoming hostility is vital: David Lampton, who is chairman of the board of the Asia foundation
B. The plan is the only way to reverse this trend, resolving Taiwan overcomes any other impediment to strong relations: Charles Glaser, who is a professor of political affairs and director of the institute of security at George Washington University
C: Crossing the tipping point risks war and undermines cooperation. Relations aren't resilient without the plan: David Lampton (same guy from subpoint a)
D. US/China cooperation is crucial to solving all global challenges: William Cohen, chairman and CEO of the Cohen Group

2
A: China is dominating the South China Sea right now, US has not communicated red lines to China, instead focused on shoring up Asian competitors, that policy fails and new direction is key: Jason Thompson from the Christian Science Monitor
B: Things can get worse: eroded US credibility is threat multiplier and makes escalation more likely: Andrew Erickson, Associate professor for China Maritime Studies Institute for the US Naval War College
C: Plan solves as US red lines solve the balance of power conflict by clarifying escalation ladder: John Schaus, from the International security program at CSIS

If you can't tell, this is my policy debate case (except I got rid of the inherency cards)
RonPaulConservative

Con

Regardless of what China says, Taiwan is an independant nation, China has no claim to it, and thus you are proposing that we betray an ally and render it into the hands of a viceous enemy of ours so that they might withdrawl from a place they should never have been in in the first place.
Debate Round No. 1
MehItsaName

Pro

The problem is that you show the same train of thought as that that will start the war with China, supported by my Jason Thompson evidence. And if we go to war with China, Taiwan will likely support us, which means China and their allies will likely attack Taiwan. If we enact the plan, we can avoid a devastating conflict that will kill hundreds of millions of people, which outweighs the arguments brought up in your second speech. And the plan helps fix relations between China and the US by solving two points of conflict between China and the US, meaning that we will be more diplomatic and not enemies anymore.
RonPaulConservative

Con

Chinas foreign policies show that they want a war, and in the effort of preventing such a war the United States should not behave as a push over. If there is to be a war between the United States and China, it will be started by China, through such policies as this one that somehow or another, the Sovereign State of Taiwan, an ally of the US, is part of their nation.
China wants a war, I want China to back off- if China decides that they will not back off, but will rather step up their level of aggression, this is Chinas fault, and would not be a result of the US.
Debate Round No. 2
MehItsaName

Pro

If we never try to cooperate with China then we will go into a war. If we can negotiate successfully, then we can save millions of lives. It doesn't matter who's fault it is; lives will be lost on both sides. Therefore, we must try to do what we can to try to diplomatically resolve issues because it helps relations and it can save lives. And the only way to get China to listen is to offer to do something for them in exchange for them to do something for us.
RonPaulConservative

Con

Are we honestly going tio turn in a free people to a savage communist state to quote 'prevent a war,' this is like if there were a terrorist who had a few hostages, and the police decided to kidnap a number of people and give them to said terroris as sex slaves in return for those hostages. This is an absurd, morally abhorrent proposal, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Debate Round No. 3
MehItsaName

Pro

The terrorist analogy is inaccurate. First of all, the war will affect millions, if not billions of people, and not in a good way. Also, it's not like doing so is going to torture Taiwan or some crap, it just means that they will likely have Chinese policies, which we can more effectively change if we have good relations with China. All in all though, you debated well and I enjoyed the round.
RonPaulConservative

Con

Taiwan would be subject to tyrannous oppression by an evil empire, and the United States should never adopt a stratey of appeasemet, this is what led the Allies to almost lose WW2.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Theunkown 1 year ago
Theunkown
Does this include breaking off all diplomatic relationship with Taiwan and basically leading them to fend for themselves?

Also, what is the desired goal? Security of the world? Advancing US interests?
Posted by DavidMancke 1 year ago
DavidMancke
Since, "One China" is the status quo right now, and that has not resolved tensions in SCS, I would say no. There is no good reason to think that if we distanced ourselves even further from Taiwan that China would abandon it's ambitions in the SCS.
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