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Should we tighten gun control laws?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/3/2015 Category: Society
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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GameriseProductions

Con

Full Resolution

Gun control laws should be tightened.

BoP is shared; I have to prove that gun control laws should remain the same. My opponent, in contrast, has to prove that our current gun control laws are too lenient and therefore should be strictened.

Definitions

Gun control - "regulation of the selling, owning, and use of guns"

Rules

1. First round is only for acceptance.
2. Minor trolling is allowed, so long as it doesn't go on consistently.
3. Rules, definitions, and the debate structure may not be changed soon as the challenge is accepted.
4. No kritiks.

Failure to follow these rules will result in a 7-point forfeiture.

Debate Structure

R1. Acceptance
R2. Presentation
R3. Rebuttals
R4. Rebuttals
R5. Rebuttals & Conclusion
Med_Hassan_Bangs

Pro

I accept challenge.
Debate Round No. 1
GameriseProductions

Con

Argument 1 - Murder and Homicide Rates Before and After Gun Bans

Let's take the case of the handgun ban in England and Wales in January 1997.

[1]

After the initiation of the gun ban, homicide rates skyrocketed through the roof, despite the huge increase in the number of police.

[1]

Let's also take a look at Ireland and Jamaica.

Ireland & Jamaica 2[1]

As the caption below Ireland's murder rate data reads, numbers only included murder. If it had included manslaughter as well, rates would have roughly doubled for most years.

Argument 2 - Initiation of the Gun Ban Only Takes Away Guns from "Legal Owners"

"Let’s assume that we wake up tomorrow and learn that a law has been passed banning the sale of handguns and calling for the confiscation of all personal firearms. Now, be honest here… Do you really think that any criminal in possession of an un-registered firearm(s) with or without scratched-off serial numbers is just going to waltz down to their local police station and say something like, “Well, it’s the new law so here are my illegally obtained guns… I guess I’ll be going to jail now.”? Not a chance.

The more realistic scenario is that law-abiding citizens who own firearms for the protection of themselves and their families would, in fact, turn their guns in. And once every legal gun has been turned over to the police, you now have two groups of armed people roaming the streets: the police, who may or may not get to your home before you’ve been shot, and criminals, who refused to surrender their firearms."[2]

If we initiated a gun ban, legal owners will return their guns, while criminals refuse to surrender their firearms, leaving citizens defenseless. This explains the upsurge of murder rates after gun bans.

"There are approximately two million defensive gun uses (DGU's) per year by law abiding citizens. That was one of the findings in a national survey conducted by Gary Kleck, a Florida State University criminologist in 1993. Prior to Dr. Kleck's survey, thirteen other surveys indicated a range of between 800,000 to 2.5 million DGU's annually. However these surveys each had their flaws which prompted Dr. Kleck to conduct his own study specifically tailored to estimate the number of DGU's annually.

Subsequent to Kleck's study, the Department of Justice sponsored a survey in 1994 titled, Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms (text, PDF). Using a smaller sample size than Kleck's, this survey estimated 1.5 million DGU's annually.

There is one study, the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which in 1993, estimated 108,000 DGU's annually. Why the huge discrepancy between this survey and fourteen others?"[3]

Regardless of the disagreement in numbers between the three studies, if we had initiated a gun ban in all states, those who had to use firearms in self-defense wouldn't have been able to, resulting in the upsurge of murder rates across the country.

I eagerly await my opponent's response.

Med_Hassan_Bangs

Pro

Thanks very much my opponent for your argument which I will not refute now because of your rules which state presentation.

Gun control generally refers to laws or
policies that regulate the manufacture, sale,
transfer, possession, modification, or use of
firearms specifically with regard to the
class of weapons referred to as small arms
( revolvers and self-loading pistols, rifles and
carbines , assault rifles , submachine guns and
light machine guns ).

Tighten
verb
make or become tight or tighter.

law
noun
the system of rules which a particular country
or community recognizes as regulating the
actions of its members and which it may
enforce by the imposition of penalties

April 16, 2007, Virginia Tech campus, 32 people
shot and killed. Dec. 14, 2012, Sandy Hook
Elementary School, 26 people shot and killed.
Oct. 16, 1991, Columbine High School 13 people
shot and killed ("Deadliest U.S. Shootings").
These are all traumatic events that could have
been less traumatic or even prevented with
tighter gun control laws. One of the guns used in
the Virginia Tech shooting was bought privately
requiring no background check or transfer of
identification. These incidence should have not occur if Gun control laws should have been tightened.

Actually, most studies
suggest that gun laws reduce violence. In
the United States, the South consistently
has more deaths by assault than any
other region. It also has the most lenient
gun control laws. A Harvard study from
last year showed that between 2007 and
2010, states with fewer gun control laws
generally had higher gun-related
mortality rates than states with stricter
gun control. Another study published in
the Journal of the American Medical
Association confirmed that finding; and
a meta-analysis of other studies, also
from Harvard, showed that higher gun
ownership rates was correlated with
higher homicide rates, both within the
U.S. and amongst different high-income
countries.
What"s indisputable is that the amount
of gun-related deaths in the U.S., which
has the highest rate of private gun
ownership in the world, is appalling. On
average, there is a mass shooting every
day in America. Around 12,000 people in
the U.S. were killed by guns in 2013 , or
over 30 people per day, and in the year
after the Newtown massacre, over 200
children have been shot to death. The
average age of those child victims was
six years old. On the whole, the U.S. has
more firearm homicides per capita than
anywhere else on the planet.

The Second Amendment
says " A well-regulated militia being
necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear
Arms shall not be infringed." Are you
really arguing that, in the 21st century,
citizen militias are necessary to secure
American sovereignty? If so, you"re
clearly unfamiliar with how powerful
the U.S. military is.
Yes, the Supreme Court did rule in 2010
that the Second Amendment extends to
private citizens who aren"t in militias "
but that same ruling, McDonald v.
Chicago , also found that gun regulations
are well-within the bounds of the Second
Amendment.
In any event, if you think the Second
Amendment prohibits any and all
restrictions on gun possession in the U.S.
no matter what the circumstances, then
you must believe that convicted
murderers have the right to carry
machine guns in prison. Right

I"m not arguing that we
should outlaw guns. I"m saying we
should erect legal barriers that make it
more difficult for individuals with a
higher propensity for violence, such as
convicted felons or the mentally ill, to
obtain guns.
Look at the National Instant Criminal
Background Check System (NICS). It was
enacted in 1994 and established, among
other things, a centralized database of
individuals who are federally prohibited
from buying guns " namely, convicted
felons, domestic abusers, and fugitives.
It"s one of the most significant gun
control laws in American history, and
since it was put into place, 2.1 million
outlaws have been blocked from
purchasing guns. So really, gun control
does the opposite of your argument.

Thanks very much my opponent for your argument which I believe is completely off track, anyway I am looking forward to a good debate and I just can't wait to refute your up coming argument, Good luck.

SOURCES:
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

[2] http://www.bustle.com...

[3]http://teenink.com...

[4]http://www.washingtonpost.com...
Debate Round No. 2
GameriseProductions

Con

GameriseProductions forfeited this round.
Med_Hassan_Bangs

Pro

Good day my fellow debater, I do not know why you fail to post your argument for this Round but I hope that you will do so in subsequent rounds, please do because I am looking forward to a wonderful debate. Please don't forfeit next Round,Good luck.
Debate Round No. 3
GameriseProductions

Con

GameriseProductions forfeited this round.
Med_Hassan_Bangs

Pro

I first of all want to say that my opponent has forfeited two consecutive rounds which has clearly expose his inability to debate this topic well. I am still looking forward to your final argument which I want you not to forfeit. Thank you, good luck
Debate Round No. 4
GameriseProductions

Con

GameriseProductions forfeited this round.
Med_Hassan_Bangs

Pro

Good day ladies and gentle men, I first of all want to say that my opponent has deliberately not posted his argument for three consecutive rounds which I believe is as a result of him not able to counter or refute my argument. I want to appeal to my fellow colleagues out there to vote on this debate just like any other debate on this site, because this debate should have being one the best only if my opponent should have posted his argument when due but thank God it's finally over, thanks in advance for voting.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Med_Hassan_Bangs 1 year ago
Med_Hassan_Bangs
My opponent I want to let you know that we are not arguing about gun ban but gun control so please try and provide concrete evidence why you believe that current laws are enough for the regulation of guns while I will be proving to you that they are too lenient and they should be tighten.
Posted by Med_Hassan_Bangs 1 year ago
Med_Hassan_Bangs
My opponent I want to let you know that we are arguing about gun ban but gun control so please try and provide concrete evidence why you believe that current are enough for the regulation of guns.
Posted by GameriseProductions 1 year ago
GameriseProductions
Med_Hassan_Bangs, as I had stated in the rules section, the first round was only for acceptance. So, you made the right decision.
Posted by Med_Hassan_Bangs 1 year ago
Med_Hassan_Bangs
Hello, my dear opponent I have tried to post my argument but unfortunately for me I couldn't, so I beg your pardon for accepting challenge without posting arguments. Thanks very much for your understanding.
Posted by Berend 1 year ago
Berend
The only example I can think of is the three day limit that allow Dylan Ruff to get his gun, which shouldn't have happened.
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