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Should wolves be killed?

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Started: 5/3/2016 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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MWonderWolf

Con

Wolves should not be killed. What did they ever do to deserve this!? See how Yellowstone has flourished! And many other places. Wolves did nothing. How would you feel if you went out and when you came back your kids were killed by a force that you couldn't understand? Then you were killed too. Living in constant fear, wolves are very intelligent and do not deserve this unacceptable slaughtering and murdering.
awilkows

Pro

Wolves are magnificent animals in North America. They’re beautiful, smart, strong, fast and unsurpassed as a predator of game, large and small.

Therein lies the problem. When wolves are left unchecked, they can, and do, decimate ungulate populations to the point where few animals are left. All those folks who say they only kill the sick and weak have never watched a pack of wolves eat a healthy, mature bull caribou alive as I have. They have never seen the trail of death a pack of wolves leaves behind as it kills to teach its pups how to hunt, or just for fun, eating little of the animals whose lives they have just ended. I’ve seen where wolves have killed Dall’s sheep rams at the top of the mountain in the deep snow of spring, watched them chase mountain goats along the tree line of a Southeast Alaska forest in August, and shred a cow elk in the Yellowstone basin.

Recent wolf hunting seasons in Idaho and Montana, and the de-listing of wolf packs from endangered in the Great Lakes states, are hopefully just the beginning of keeping lower 48 wolf populations under control. Here’s why we need to start killing more lower 48 wolves right now.

1. Too Many Wolves: Left unchecked, wolf populations grow rapidly. This is especially true in areas where there are lots of animals for them to eat – like the Yellowstone ecosystem. Because wolf numbers exceeded targeted reintroduction population goals in the Yellowstone ecosystem more rapidly than expected, the animal was removed from the Endangered Species List and a sport hunting season on wolves was instituted in 2009. The seasons held in Idaho and Montana were supremely successful, with hunters killing 72 of the 75 wolves on quota in Montana, and 188 of a 220-wolf quota in Idaho.

In addition to that, in 2009 government shooters killed 256 more wolves identified as livestock killers. In all, government hunters have killed more than 1,200 wolves over the past 15 years. I wonder how much money that cost the taxpayer? Tag sales generated $528,697 – all for wildlife conservation – while hunters killed just 22 percent of the estimated total Idaho wolf population and 14 percent of the estimated Montana wolf population. And since wolves reproduce at an annual rate of about 20 percent, there was not even a net loss in the overall population as a result of the hunt.

2. Wolves Are Decimating Ungulate Populations: Ask anyone who has been guiding hunters in lower 48 wolf country for any length of time, and they’ll tell you that since the reintroduction of the wolf, local deer, elk, moose and sheep populations have plummeted. Lower ungulate numbers mean that game managers, whose job it is to try and keep a balance between animals and habitat, are forced to offer less hunting permits for sportsmen. That, it turn, means less hunting license revenue for the affected states, whose game management budgets are derived largely from the sale of these same licenses and tags, particularly to nonresidents. This has to stop.

3. Deer and Elk are in Hiding: Those deer and elk not killed by wolves are not stupid. They know that unless they leave the “easy” country and head for the nastiest, toughest terrain around, they’ll soon find themselves on the wolves’ dinner menu. I have several friends who have quit elk hunting in wolf country for two reasons: Overall numbers are down, and the animals that are left have retreated to country so rough that hunting them has become a Herculean effort. Is that what we want?

4. Wolves Love “Muffy”: Being an equal opportunity predator, wolves that patrol areas inhabited by humans just cannot help themselves. If they find domestic livestock or your pet in the wrong place at the wrong time, they turn it into lunch. Ranchers have complained bitterly about this to the point where some animal rights groups have set up funds to mitigate livestock losses in the hopes that this will keep people from killing their precious wolves. Talk about a nightmare.

5. Wolves are Poster-Boy Animals: Wolves are spectacular and they are beautiful, making them an easy choice as a poster child for the animal rights wackos. I’ve actually had officers from some prominent animal rights’ groups tell me that when they need to raise some quick cash, all they have to do is send out a mailer with the picture of a wolf on it that begs their donors for a few bucks to keep the evil hunters from killing these poor, innocent creatures. They do not care a whit about biology or modern game management practices, they just care about collecting some cash and firing up their base to try and stop hunting. It’s a win-win for the ARWs. I hate that.

6. Continued Litigation: Wolves have been, and will continue to be, the focus of litigation brought on by the ARWs, who want to end all hunting and let the animals run wild and free, like something out of an old Disney movie like “Bambi.” They believe that animals should have equal, if not more, rights than humans, and therefore animals should take priority when decisions are made about land use.

It is this kind of shortsighted thinking and self-absorbed attitude that makes me wonder what color the sky is on the planet these “environmental” groups inhabit. They will say or do anything to get what they want. I’m sure some of the members of these very small organizations have noble intentions, but come on. You can, and should, check them out on their websites – wildearthguardians.org, wildrockiesalliance.org and friendsoftheclearwater.org – to give you an idea of what common-sense thinkers and sportsmen are up against in this crucial battle.
Debate Round No. 1
MWonderWolf

Con

You obviously need to be educated better. From what you told me, you probably live in a state that boasts lots of wolves; perhaps Alaska, Wyoming or Maine. I, however, live in Washington. Many people believe that there are lots of wolves here. There aren't. In fact, there aren't many wolves in the lower 48. Although I have never seen a wild wolf, l would like to. Also, wolf populations do not explode as you insist on. They do encounter hardships in the rough terrain. Wolves do decimate deer, elk, and moose populations, but it doesn't matter. It restores the natural balance that was there before stupid, blundering humans came along and slaughtered them all. After all, hunters who 'depend' on deer for money should have a backup career in case hunting doesn't work out. If not, they are some of the most idiotic people on the planet. Deer trample and eat grass and vegetation, which birds and other critters use for nests. That can mess up so many things, I can't mention them all.
awilkows

Pro

As living in Maine, I’m embarrassed by the circus-like atmosphere surrounding the selling of wolf tags. I’m even more embarrassed by the claims of some hunters that wolves are causing elk and deer to go “extinct.”

The anti wolf activits — and there are such folks in Idaho — quite frankly bore me, with their endless predictions that wolves will eat your children at the bus stop.

But all that aside, it’s time to let the wolf hunt happen. Most likely, wolves will quickly become just another well-managed big game animal, much like mountain lions. Mountain lions are hunted, and they’re thriving and even expanding their range.

Environmentalists said they would support delisting when wolf recovery goals were met, which they have been. By opposing delisting now, it makes it harder for other predator reintroductions and conservation efforts to take place.

And stopping the hunt could, in the long run, lead to far worse wolf control efforts. The longer wolves are not hunted, the more rural Westerners will demand more drastic measures. Eventually, I fear, this would lead to trapping, poisoning or even wolf eradication.

Think it can’t happen? I suggest you don’t understand the fervor with which many ranchers and hunters hate wolves.

With the hunting season, wolves will continue to thrive. They’ll become more wary and avoid humans which can be a good thing.

Individual wolves will be killed, a sad reality. But as conservationists, we should be working so that populations can survive.

Habitat loss, climate change, irresponsible energy development: These are issues that will dramatically affect the long-term survival of wolf populations.

It’s time for environmentalists to let go of the conservation non-issue of saving individual wolves, and instead use their passion to save wolf habitat.

One more thing, this is a formal debate. To say that I am uneducated is cyberbullying and rude. I think allowing wolfs to be hunted could save them and destroy them which is a good midline.

Debate Round No. 2
MWonderWolf

Con

MWonderWolf forfeited this round.
awilkows

Pro

Wolves are an overpopulated species expectually in places where I live. I hope people can see this and my other points. Thank you for your time. This was a fun and interesting debate for me. Have fun voting everyone and I hope you all had as much fun as I did!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by MWonderWolf 1 year ago
MWonderWolf
Aren't we already? :) http://www.debate.org...
Posted by awilkows 1 year ago
awilkows
Me too! Great Debate! Hope to debate against you again! :)
Posted by MWonderWolf 1 year ago
MWonderWolf
Thanks! I had lots of fun!
Posted by awilkows 1 year ago
awilkows
That is not a bad idea! :)
Posted by MWonderWolf 1 year ago
MWonderWolf
Sorry, didn't notice the short time frame. I'm sorry for calling you uneducated. By the way, wolves are very sparse where I live. Maybe over in Maine you could think it's ok to mass murder wolves. Maybe wolf hunting should be legal for one month a year in states that have high populations. Thanks for the time! I had fun! 😉
Posted by awilkows 1 year ago
awilkows
Thank you!
Posted by sketchb 1 year ago
sketchb
Both of you have interesting arguments. Hard to make a decision.
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