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britkit_francis
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Minhee108
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Simulation over fake combat.

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Started: 4/24/2015 Category: Games
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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britkit_francis

Pro

I state that simulation is better than fake combat. Take these two apps for the iPhone. ( I have both). Metalstorm Online and F18 Carrier Landing. MetalStorm is all about dog fighting against your friends or doing the campaign. It is okay in my opinion but you get jets that have some similar and bogus paint jobs. The combat also has some pretty strange ways. You can upgrade your jets or weapons but you need to pay money or earn it through the game. Carrier Landing on the other hand has no combat. It is mostly about trying to land on ( you guessed it) Aircraft carriers. The cool part is that the game gives you all the real life problems you would face. There are also other jets you could buy. All the jets are prototypical. Some have vertical takeoff and landing. I say that it is better to have a simulation over fakeness.
F18: https://itunes.apple.com...
MetalStorm: https://itunes.apple.com...
Minhee108

Con

Why I believe that arcade/fake games are better than a simulation is simply because it offers escape. While I do personally enjoy a handful of simulation games (iRacing, Forza Motorsports, Arma, X-Plane) the purpose of video games were to provide escape. Take for example Grand Theft Auto. Of course most people would be disgusted in stealing expensive cars, planes, and tanks, and mass murdering hundreds of millions of people in the real world. It probably wouldn't be even possible to walk into a military base and steal a tank. Grand Theft Auto was made to let people escape from the real world and steal cars, planes, and tanks and kill millions of people, because in the end, its just a video game, and it doesn't matter. There are some other good examples as well. Take for example the Need For Speed franchise. No one in the right mind would want to illegally street race their expensive modified cars, but Need For Speed gives you expensive, fast cars to completely do whatever is possible in the game. Video games are meant for escape, not for simulation.
Debate Round No. 1
britkit_francis

Pro

I see what you mean. Simulation though could provide a more realistic escape from reality. Simulation players often like to play Sims because you feel professional when playing them. While there are blurred lines between games and simulations, there are fundamental differences. Simulations often use photos from Google or something like that for software. Real flight simulator needs Google maps in order to give a realistic view. The other thing about simulators is because of its opposition to other games like what you stated such as Grand Theft Auto and Saints Row. Those games have an objective of pretty much any game like that would have. Simulators, if you program the right codes in, could played as things are like in the real world. You could have real life consequences involved to.

Before you stated that playing games like GTA5 that are just games don't matter in the end, they still do. They alter the way you commonly think. I've known some people that played GTA and other similar games and all they think about is" Dude, look at that Dodge over there. It looks pretty easy to get. I've done it plenty of times before." Thing like that worry me because if people make games to escape from reality that way, our world would be a lot less safe. Simulators can also be set up to become even more professional. Take the Oculus Rift. There are some simulators where if you plug the Oculus in you could have view to where you actually turn your head to look around in the sim. Another addition to Sims is the RailDriver for Train Simulators. It comes setup as a center console complete with all the controls to operate a train. With all this you are pretty close to being a professional. This is why I think that Simulators are better than games. Vote Pro.

Oculus Rift: https://www.oculus.com...

RailDriver: http://raildriver.com...
Minhee108

Con

You mentioned purchasing equipment like a train dashboard or a flight stick. While this is great fun (I do enjoy sims) and massively enhances the gaming experience, there is one major fault: price. lets take for example a train dashboard. A raildriver for playing train sims on Ebay usually cost around $290. A massive price for pretty much everyone, just to control the game and have a better experience. Same thing with racing sims, the cheapest force feedback wheel that is decent is around $250, and if someone purchases maybe a better set of pedals, a shifter, a button box, and a good rig, the price could be would be at least $500+. Flight sims as well, a Saitek X-55 Rhino HOTAS costs $200, and some very high quality ones like the Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog cost $590, an extreme price to pay for a flight sim. The price comes to the software as well. iRacing, the most widely used racing simulator, isn't cheap. If one was to buy the two year plan, they would be paying about $7.50 a month, not including any new cars or tracks. If someone buys maybe 1 car and 5 tracks, they would pay upwards of $50+ (depends on what you get) and still paying $7.50 monthly. If someone was to buy every single track and car in iRacing, the total price comes to about $840. That is a ridiculous amount of money to purchase on a sim, meaning only a select few will have deep enough pockets and dedication to purchase this. X-Plane would cost $60 but someone would also have to pay for a flight stick. You also mentioned Oculus Rift, which I think everyone has heard of. but it costs $400 for the DK2 model, and it isn't even finished, its a developer product, so basically a prototype. I personally think $400 for an unfinished product is just too much. You brought up violence influenced from GTA and Saints Row, however there have been numerous studies proving that video games have not influenced violence AT ALL, so that claim is false. As you can see, simulators cost a massive amount of money and my opponents claim on how violent video games influence violence is false, I'd vote for my side.

Thrustmaster (wheel and flight stick): http://www.thrustmaster.com...
X-Plane 10: http://www.x-plane.com...
iRacing: http://www.iracing.com...
Video Games Don't Influence Violence: http://www.independent.co.uk...
Debate Round No. 2
britkit_francis

Pro

Pricing may be a big deal but it is worth it. Lets say that some dude that has a dream to be a fighter jet pilot but he has a physical problem to where he couldn't become one. With the right system you could be really close to actually seem like you are flying in the jets. Like you said before, it is pretty much an escape to what you want. So let you have it. Let it be really good and realistic. Wouldn't you like it to be the bets experience you could get since you can't actually do it. The prices may be a problem though. Over pricing can be an annoyance to pro gamers. The reason that they cost a lot is mostly because they are really good or if there is a big demand for them. Sometimes you could even get the same simulation program that a company uses. The Air Force uses sims to train their pilots. It is possible to get the sims they use and the same gear they use with money. Same with the railroads BNSF railways and Union Pacific Railroads. They all train on sims. So why not try it out your self and be challenged with what the actual pilots and engineers are faced with?

BNSF sim training: http://www.cm-labs.com...
Union Pacific sim training :https://www.uprr.com...

Air Force sim training: http://www.federaltimes.com...
Minhee108

Con

Minhee108 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
britkit_francis

Pro

I do not have much to state in this round due to a forfeit created by the Contender, Minhee108. As I stated before, simulation is by far better than regular gaming. From the first sim to the latest, simulators are better than electronic games.

The first simulator: http://kotaku.com...
The latest simulator: http://www.pcworld.com...
Minhee108

Con

Minhee108 forfeited this round.
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