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Skyrim Stormcloaks or Imperials Who is Right?

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Started: 10/3/2012 Category: Entertainment
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jackwilliams141

Con

This is a debate over whether the Imperial Legion or the Stormcloak Rebellion had it right in the Civil War raging in the video game Skyrim. Specific sources must be cited, and no dirty language. I am going with the Stormcloaks, and anybody who thinks the Legion had it right is welcome to debate me.
tdude1196

Pro

The Imperials are morally correct due to the fact that their reasons for wanting skyrim to join in their system is to create a unity between all nations and races. However due to treaties with the Thalmor, to keep peace between all members of the empire and the inhabitants of skyrim, and prevent full on war between elves and humans, the worship of Talos is banned.
Now you have the problem with the empire, they supress people based on their religious beliefs which can change. The problem with Stormcloaks is that they are racists who suppress people on their race (if this was not obvious), some thing which cannot change.
As stated, Imperials are trying to enforce law and order, while the Stormcloaks seem to enforce Anarchy.
Stormcloak belief is that decisions which affect all citizens can be resolved based on the fighting skill of 2 men (See Ulfric Stormcloak challenging the forming king due to the kings opposition to having skyrim be independent of the Empire)
When it comes down to things, really this is a similar conflict to the American civil war, one side wants order and intergration while another wants independence and racist beliefs .
Debate Round No. 1
jackwilliams141

Con

So you think it was okay for the Imperials to kill that innocent prisoner(You!), only guilty of trying to cross the borders, and that horse thief, guilty of nothing but having 50 bounty on his head? May I remind you that the Imperials are the Thalmor's puppets, and they are operating from Elenwen's orders? In the Thieves Guild Side Quests, Olfrid Battle Born is trying to free his friend, Arn from Imperial clutches in Solitude for nothing but going on a week's homecoming. Also, the Imperials are operating from the Imperial City in Cyrodil, which is messed up if you are trying to rule Skyrim. Also, the Jarl of Solitude has to check with General Tullius when she does anything, and that messes up the ruling system of Skyrim. Finally, when Ulfric killed High King Torygg, he challenged him to single combat, which is perfectly legal, and when Torygg lost, the Imperials tried to capture Ulfric, even though he'd done nothing wrong! That gate guard Roggvir who let him escape because he had every right to the throne was executed for following the ancient code of Nordic Combat!
tdude1196

Pro

"So you think it was okay for the Imperials to kill that innocent prisoner(You!)"

The character is not innocent. They broke the law. It is the considered due punishment. As well do you think the stormcloaks who want nothing more than to have no contact outside of their country would do anything less if not worse?
If anything stormcloaks would give even harsher punishment, then followed by death.

"Imperials are the Thalmor's puppets, and they are operating from Elenwen's orders"
By puppets do you mean enforcing rules created by a treaty to stop an even larger war that had occured many years ago? and also you claim this like all Imperials enforce the ideas of the Thalmor. If so then why are all imperials not trying to kill the dragonborn on sight? Why when having

"Olfrid Battle Born is trying to free his friend, Arn from Imperial clutches in Solitude for nothing but going on a week's homecoming"
Its stated that Arn committed a great crime. This is reason for his to be execution.

"Also, the Imperials are operating from the Imperial City in Cyrodil, which is messed up if you are trying to rule Skyrim"
Not really, you're logic is similar to saying that in the united states the president cannot be in charge of of laws for the whole country because hes not in those states
And if its distance, it isnt far as you can see cyrodil on the skyrim map if you look far enough
" Jarl of Solitude has to check with General Tullius when she does anything, and that messes up the ruling system of Skyrim"
This is regardless because she will then have to take orders exclusivly from ulfric stormcloak, and also will regardless tell you to address someone else about political problems due to the death of her husband
"Finally, when Ulfric killed High King Torygg, he challenged him to single combat, which is perfectly legal, and when Torygg lost, the Imperials tried to capture Ulfric, even though he'd done nothing wrong"
Notice that only Ulfric was at the battle, besides the king. And as quoted by the dead king in soverngarde "I faced him fearlessly - my fate inescapable, yet my honor is unstained - can Ulfric say the same?" This implies that he did not accept a challenge and Ulfric stormed in and attacked the king. There being only 1 living witness, who would gain from a lie, and one dead who claims that ulfric has lost his honor by ignoring the code of Nordic Combat.

Now of course the empire had to settle for banning talos worship, they were on the losing side of a war that could end in the death of all humanity. If Talos worship seemed more important than the existence of all humanity to the stormcloaks, perhaps there is a problem with their ideas of what is right in the world.

As well you ignore the fact that Stormcloaks are clearly racist bigots.
In their base city, those who are not human are placed in the slums and dirty parts of the city while humans live in prosperity. And when does racism turn to slavery or mass murder?

The problem in skyrim is that the player is default wants to join the rebellion, these people are about to kill him for a crime that the player did not actually commit (the character does, but the player no) thus the player associates immediately the imperials with the villains.
Debate Round No. 2
jackwilliams141

Con

jackwilliams141 forfeited this round.
tdude1196

Pro

My opponent failed to post an argument and I do believe mine still stands up.
Thus I have nothing more to address currently.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by mrwisegamer 11 months ago
mrwisegamer
The stormcloaks are the correct side.After the war they will be preparing to fight the dominion without having to sacrifice the Talos worshipers.Unlike the imperials.
Posted by Arctalon 3 years ago
Arctalon
I do agree that the Imperials are the correct side and after the Ulfric dies he says something along the lines of "Now that Ulfric and his little rebellion are dealt with we need to see about the Thalmor. But lets keep you between me and you eh legate?
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