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Adam2
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jackh4mm3r
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Slavery and racism (Jim Crow) are different types of ills

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Started: 7/26/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Adam2

Pro

This is a response to who for some weird reason believe that since the Northern states ended slavery first, they must be free of open and violent racism. For instance, Britain might have ended slavery but did that stop them from violating black people's rights and conquering other lands (during the age of imperialism)? No. Just because one doesn't believe in slavery doesn't mean they like another race. Britain has a reputation for being racist, even in the post-slavery era. It had a reputation of racism before slavery.
jackh4mm3r

Con

I shall accept the debate as the Con position to the resolution in the title. Slavery and Jim Crow laws are indeed the same ill, if but by different degrees.
Debate Round No. 1
Adam2

Pro

Racism -- is hatred of another race.
Slavery -- when one has absolute power of another.

Most of the people who made Jim Crow were anti-slavery. It was common sentiment across America that slavery was wrong by the time the Civil War came to an end.

Slavery was another ill that came from the British. In many cases, slaveowners didn't even bother saying the N-word. They had no time for that. They whipped their slaves and were brutal, but they needed work out of them, so they were too busy overseeing to let their personal opinions get in the way.

Racism has to do with persecuting a race, that's usually free. Slavery doesn't necessarily correlate with race. There were many slaves that were sold by the British (in their own countries to another).

This is why I always say the idea of black people complaining about slavery doesn't make sense. If anything they're complaining about Jim Crow.

It goes like this all slavery supporters were racist. Not all who were racist supported slavery. Many of the abolitionists would go on to lynch blacks.
jackh4mm3r

Con

I thank Pro for this debate and defining some terms. I would like to add a definition to the list;
Jim Crow: A system of laws in the United States passed with intent to restrict association between whites and blacks.

Slave owners held a great deal of interest in controlling association between their slaves and the slaves of others, as well as contact with other free-men. Further, they warranted no different of an association than that of a master-slave association.

The Jim Crow laws may have been different, but it comes from the same rational; one may force other humans to obey. Association is the basis of trade, starting families, pretty much everything civilized; one can say that while slavery was certainly worse for slaves, Jim crow was bad for everybody; it may well have been used precisely to lock out up-and-coming businesses that blacks were creating by legally protecting white merchants" markets.

Thus, while slavery and Jim crow are both racist, they are the same ill, to a different degree, in terms of prolonging the thought that human association can be legitimately controlled by third parties. I turn this debate over to Pro.
Debate Round No. 2
Adam2

Pro

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jackh4mm3r

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
Adam2

Pro

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jackh4mm3r

Con

Arguments extended.
Debate Round No. 4
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Reasons for voting decision: While both sides forfeited, it seemed to be that Con forfeited in response to Pro, who never returned to the debate. While slavery as a GENERAL concept might have been argued to be a different type of ill, the debate focused on historical slavery, which was rooted in the same racism Jim Crow was and, as Con showed, was not a different "type" of ill because of that. As always, happy to clarify this RFD.