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BryceMcCarthy
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Subutai
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Smoking Ban

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Subutai
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/7/2014 Category: People
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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BryceMcCarthy

Pro

Smoking is bad for you and the people around you as it causes cancer and kills off your cells causing a slow painful death that everybody regrets. It also puts people and plants in the near proximity in danger. as it is just as bad to second hand smoke as well as it is for the smoker himself.
Subutai

Con

I never accept debates with five minute debating periods, but if someone challenges me specifically to a five minute-per round debate, I'll show no mercy. Also, I assume the first round is not for acceptance. Let the quick debating begin!

To begin, I will introduce utilitarian ethics: “The only freedom which deserves the name is that of pursuing our own good in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their efforts to attain it. Each is the guardian of his own health, whether bodily, or mental and spiritual. Mankind are greater gainers by suffering each other to live as seems good to themselves, than by compelling each to live as seems good to the rest.”[3]

Next, my opponent overestimates the direct health costs of smoking: “The actual odds of a smoker dying from smoking before the age of 75 are about 1 in 12. In other words, 11 out of 12 life-long smokers don’t die before the age of 75 from a smoking-related disease... This would place the lifetime odds of dying from smoking at 6 to 1 (45 million smokers divided by 100,000 deaths per year x 75 years), rather than 3 to 1. However, about half (45 percent) of all smoking-related deaths occur at age 75 or higher. Calling these deaths “premature” is stretching common usage of the word. The odds of a life-long smoker dying prematurely of a smoking-related disease, then, are about 12 to 1.”[1]

Then my opponent overestimates the health costs of second hand smoke: “'The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality,' the researchers wrote, although they do not rule out a small effect. 'The association between tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.'It is generally considered that exposure to environmental tobacco smoke is roughly equivalent to smoking one cigarette per day,' according to Enstrom and Kabat. 'If so, a small increase in lung cancer is possible, but the commonly reported 30 percent increase in heart disease risk--the purported cause of almost all the deaths attributed to secondhand smoke--is highly implausible.'”[1][2]

Finally, my opponent assumes that only smoking bans will work; however, this is not true: “Most seats in most restaurants are already designated nonsmoking, and there is little evidence that nonsmokers who visit restaurants and bars believe smoking is a major concern. In restaurants with smoking and nonsmoking sections, better ventilation systems rather than smoking bans can solve any remaining concerns. Smoking bans have had severe negative effects on restaurants, bars, and nightclubs in cities where such bans have been enacted. Smokers choose to stay home or visit with friends who allow smoking in their homes, or spend less time (and less money) in bars and nightclubs before leaving. Smoking bans can also move noisy and potentially dangerous crowds onto sidewalks, and divert police resources from battling more serious crime.”[1]

Let's see if my opponent can respond.

Sources

[1]: http://heartland.org...
[2]: http://news.heartland.org...
[3]: http://mises.org...
Debate Round No. 1
BryceMcCarthy

Pro

BryceMcCarthy forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
BryceMcCarthy

Pro

BryceMcCarthy forfeited this round.
Subutai

Con

Well this was a fun debate...
Debate Round No. 3
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