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birdlandmemories
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JasperFrancisShickadance
Con (against)
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Soccer is better than baseball

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JasperFrancisShickadance
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/13/2014 Category: Sports
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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birdlandmemories

Pro

The debate will be structured as this:

Round 1: Acceptance, rules, and definitions
Round 2: Arguments
Round 3: Rebuttals
Round 4: Closing statements

Definitions:

Baseball: Agame of ball between two nine-player teams played usually for nine innings on a field that has as a focal point a diamond-shaped infield with a home plate and three other bases, 90 feet (27 meters) apart, forming a circuit that must be completed by a base runner in order to score, the central offensive action entailing hitting of a pitched ball with a wooden or metal bat and running of the bases, the winner being the team scoring the most runs. [1]

Soccer: A form of football played between two teams of 11 players, in which the ball may be advanced by kicking or by bouncing it off any part of the body but the arms and hands, except in the case of the goalkeepers, who may use their hands to catch, carry, throw, or stop the ball. [2]

Sources (Definition sources do not count for points in voting)

[1] http://dictionary.reference.com...
[2] http://dictionary.reference.com...

Pro argues for soccer, con argues for baseball.
JasperFrancisShickadance

Con

I accept the rules and definitions of this debate and wish good luck to my opponent.
Debate Round No. 1
birdlandmemories

Pro

Thank you for accepting this debate.


Reasons why Soccer is better than baseball:

1: Soccer fans are more into the game than baseball fans

Below are pictures of how passionate soccer fans can be, They can be seen waving flags and banners in support of their team.







At a baseball game, many of the seats are empty, and the fans are quiet.




The fans also sing their national anthems loud and proud.

;(National Anthem at a soccer game. Video at the top)

;(National Anthem at a baseball game. The 2nd video)

The differences between the two National Anthems are extrodinary. Every fan sings the national anthem at a soccer game, but no fans sing during a baseball national anthem.

2: Drama

The drama at a soccer game is much bigger than at a baseball game. A goal in a soccer league can give you the title, especially since goal differencial comes into play to break tiebreaks.



(3rd video at top)


And in continental and international tournaments like the World Cup and Euro Cup, games can be settled by the high-drama penalty shootout.





(4th video at top)

3: Soccer is more well known internationally

Soccer is the most popular sport in the world. The international tournaments constantly draw high ratings [1][2]. In addition, the world cup broke social media records [3].


All these reasons prove that soccer is indeed better than baseball.

Sources

[1] http://www.forbes.com...


[2] http://www.deadline.com...


[3] http://www.cnn.com...


JasperFrancisShickadance

Con

Thank-you for the Opening Arguments. As we are saving rebuttals for the next round, I will only present my reasons why Baseball is better than soccer.
1. The players use their arms as well as their legs and don't often use their heads.
In soccer you don't use any body part in particular or for any special use: just to get the ball somewhere. You can't use your hands and elbows at all. In baseball you don't bumb a ball around using your head. [1]
2. There is much more scoring and no ties.
With no time limits and nine innings, baseball has equal opportunities for each team to score so that you HAVE to play tight defense until you get 3 outs and then on offence you only have 3 outs to score (get to Home plate). [1]
3. The players don't bite eachother.
This is a relief because otherwise the players would have injuries and not be able to use all their required athletic ability to keep playing. Besides, don't they teach against biting other people in Kindergarten? [1]
4. There are better movies about it.
I can name 3 movies off the top of my head that are popularly known by most everybody: The Sandlot, Field of Dreams, and The Natural. They have not only made it big in movie cinema but have made baseball become even more dear to my, and other people's, lives. [1]
5. Baseball coaches/managers are better than FIFA coaches.
MLB Managers are not afraid to be removed from a game when it comes to protecting their players, it's actually expected for a manager to stick up for his guys. FIFA coaches seem to stay out of the way no matter what happens. [2]
6. The other team doesn't score for you.

Let's face it, the most embarrasing, dissapointing, and useless moments in soccer history is when the other team scores on the wrong goal. That does NOT happen in baseball. [2]

7. MLB players are professional athletes. FIFA players are amateur athletes.

This is not a knock against the physical demands of Soccer. I'll be the first to admit that it's the most demanding physically with the exception of Aussie rules football. It's not physical ability that separates a professional from an amateur. My point is that Professional players, when they fall down, dust themselves off and get back in the game. A amateur will lay on the ground crying and wailing like a two-year-old at a Wal-mart toy section! [2]

8. While it may be true that soccer is more popular internationally, it is played less by adolescents than baseball is.

All these reasons prove that baseball is indeed better than soccer.

Sources

[1] http://www.newrepublic.com...

[2] http://bleacherreport.com...



Debate Round No. 2
birdlandmemories

Pro

birdlandmemories forfeited this round.
JasperFrancisShickadance

Con

My opponent unluckily didn't provide a timely response, which I completely understand, but because of this he will miss out on a good round of rebuttals for my argument. I'll go easy on him for rebuttals, but first, allow me to show you this...
http://instagram.com...
That vine was just for laughs and wasn't put on this debate to prove much. But people should know that, while some soccer players may have talent, most have horrible sportsmanship (and/or act like babies when trying to win) such as in that website. Sometimes, this is not the players fault, but the sport of soccer's fault that sportsmanship and talent are poorly used. There are soccer players (men) who can jump higher than some dunkers in the NBA, some men who have better hand/eye coordination than some Major Leaguers, but no, they choose the game where you run around endlessly only to win or lose by one lousy goal after 80 minutes of sweaty play.

REBUTTALS

The videos my opponent provided were put there to try to prove "soccer fans are more into the game than baseball fans," of course, unsuccessfully because I disproved that with the one video I gave last round.
http://media.columbiamissourian.com...
http://blogs.rep-am.com...
http://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com...
http://www.bloggerstobenamedlater.com...

To me, it really doesn't matter whether the fans sing the national anthem or some country singers do it for them. Besides, most people playing soccer aren't even from America or are from different, little known countries but usually not America (I hope this is not offensive to anyone)!

All around, my opponent made good points but they were easily refuted by the plain truth that the rocks proclaim baseball better than soccer. This would have been a good debate if he had not forfeited, but alas I must forgive. I hope he participates in the last round.
Debate Round No. 3
birdlandmemories

Pro

birdlandmemories forfeited this round.
JasperFrancisShickadance

Con

Baseball is infinitely times better than soccer!!!!
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by JasperFrancisShickadance 2 years ago
JasperFrancisShickadance
I've got fast pitch softball tourneys and basketball practice every Mon and Wed.
Posted by birdlandmemories 2 years ago
birdlandmemories
I've got soccer practice Mondays and Tuesdays starting next week.
Posted by AdamEsk 2 years ago
AdamEsk
I enjoy both sports but if you look at the fundamentals of each of them, you can easily see soccer is a forever flawed professional sport. Baseball > Soccer.
Posted by birdlandmemories 2 years ago
birdlandmemories
The only thing is that with the forfeits, I hope this doesn't mean con's arguments were better. I'd be happy to debunk all of them now.
Posted by birdlandmemories 2 years ago
birdlandmemories
I have no idea. I guess I'm better at countering not under pressure.
Posted by JasperFrancisShickadance 2 years ago
JasperFrancisShickadance
Why don't you write that in your argument?
Posted by birdlandmemories 2 years ago
birdlandmemories
And no, the only exciting moment isn't when they score. Each shot has meaning, some hits in baseball mean nothing and just leave runners stranded. Also, baseball is waaay more controversial that soccer, because since replay was just implemented into it, the system is flawed. In soccer, with goal-line technology, many goals in soccer are verified and can be indentified in less than 15 seconds.
Posted by birdlandmemories 2 years ago
birdlandmemories
So can soccer, goal kicks, penalties, actual shots you have to save, free kicks, corners, headers, throw-ins, lots of fights, incredble saves. And dude, you try to bring up the cycle, perfect games, triple plays, and inside the park home run, how rare are those? Some of those happen once every couple of years or once a year. In most games, you won't see any of those.
Posted by pbeisner0709 2 years ago
pbeisner0709
Soccer is the most boring game to watch. The only exciting moment
In soccer is when they score. Baseball has more going on, more plays can be made, more variety of action, hit for the cycle, make a triple play, rob a homer, inside park home run, grand slams, perfect pitched game, brawls, Baseball takes the cake here
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