The Instigator
SlamminSam212
Con (against)
Losing
14 Points
The Contender
brian_eggleston
Pro (for)
Winning
18 Points

Social Security money going to the government?

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brian_eggleston
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/18/2009 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (3)
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SlamminSam212

Con

I think we ourselves could invest our money better then the government does with it.

Anyone who would like to discuss and argue this subject with me please do...
brian_eggleston

Pro

I would like to extend my thanks to my opponent for proposing this interesting debate.

I'm going to be honest with you, dear voters, there is a fault in my character that I am deeply ashamed of - I'm selfish. Yes, I admit it, I don't give two tosses of monkey's tail about anybody else apart from myself.

Now then, almost half of my annual salary goes to the Government and they spend it on my behalf, which I'm not entirely happy about. Frankly, I'd rather keep that money for myself and spend it on a Lamborghini, a helicopter and a cottage in the south of France. I might possibly also donate a few quid to charity to reconcile myself with my conscience, but I'm not absolutely sure about that.

The thing is, most people are like me. Very few lotto winners donate most of their fortunes to good causes and the majority high-earners do all they can to avoid paying tax.

That's why people are not allowed to invest their money as they see fit. For example, I might object to paying money to educate other people's children when I have no children of my own and decide that my taxes would be better spent on police marksmen to be take out those selfish motorists who hog the overtaking lanes on motorways (interstates).

But then I would be forgetting that I was born into a desperately poor family and was educated at the taxpayer's expense and that one day I will be old and may need to rely on the state for my pension and health care needs and that an educated workforce will be required to pay for those requirements.

The fact is, people in general are not in a position to decide what is best for them in the long term and that is why we elect politicians to make those decisions on our behalf.

Thank you.
Debate Round No. 1
SlamminSam212

Con

SlamminSam212 forfeited this round.
brian_eggleston

Pro

Arguments extended.
Debate Round No. 2
SlamminSam212

Con

I think that i would be able to invest my money better then the government. The money i make should be the money i keep i don't think I should have to give a certain percentage to the government to do what they want with it and i dont even know what it is in.

I don't use all the big words i just use facts and common sense!
brian_eggleston

Pro

In essence, I, like most people would agree with my opponent's argument.

After all, it's my money, I earned it, it should be up to me how I spend it, right? That, as my opponent suggested is "common sense".

The trouble is, being naturally self-interested, I would spend that money on myself rather than teachers, doctors , civil engineers, soldiers or police officers or whatever.

Of course all of these public servants are vital, even though I might not realise until I really need them, which is why we must invest in them in advance through our taxes.

Thanks to my opponent for an interesting debate.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Lexicaholic 8 years ago
Lexicaholic
RFD:
(1) I was tied going into this. No idea if Con would suggest a better system related to providing a social safety net or not.
(2) After the debate I agreed with Pro, for reasons I will get into shortly.
(3) Conduct to Pro, because of a forfeited round.
(4) Spelling and Grammar to Pro, because he capitalized his 'I's'
(5) Argument to Pro. His self referential agreement, while seemingly paradoxical, none-the-less supports his argument ... Pro is not arguing what he THINKS should be done, but what should be done, and argues that the consequences of following his reasoning would be detrimental to himself and society. In other words, Pro states that his 'natural' self interests are not rational, and that he must therefore be kept from acting upon them because that would be in his rational self-interest. Con does not make any arguments, because they are all unqualified statements of truth based on unexplained rationales.
(6) Tie. No side used resources.
Posted by brian_eggleston 8 years ago
brian_eggleston
Yes, er, no? How?
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
You realize you just contradicted yourself Eggleston.
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