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Socialism is a better long term government than fascism

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Started: 9/25/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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silent999death

Pro

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second round opening arguments
third round rebuttals and continued arguments
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keep_me_updated

Con

Fascism is better.
Debate Round No. 1
silent999death

Pro

Let me start off with defining socialism.
Socialism- A form of government in which wealth is more evenly distributed and some of the means of production are controlled by the government and people.

The Nordic success- In Scandinavia you see some of the most successful nations out there(Denmark, Sweden, Norway), and yet many would want you to believe the socialism is all about taking away freedoms and complete and total equality. This is far from the truth. In Scandinavia you see some of the highest happiness, from a lowly garbage man to Brain surgeons. One arguments is the high tax rate. Well most of those taxes go towards what you would have spent them on anyways, except you don't have to worry about remembering to pay as many bills at the end of the month.
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The Collapse of the Eastern Bloc- Many might argue that the collapse of the U.S.S.R. and other eastern bloc countries is proof of the failure of socialism. This is not true in the least. Just because you call yourself socialist doesn't make it true, remember they also called themselves democratic. These nations were authoritarian communist oligarchies or dictatorships, many of which were also puppet states of the U.S.S.R.
keep_me_updated

Con

Let me define Fascism for you:
An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

You may be right about Scandinavian socialism working, but what exactly have they done historically? Fascism is a well-known form of government that has proven it works. Look at Germany during WW2 they were one of the greatest empires in Europe. When Hitler took power on Jan 30, 1933 Germany was in a horrible depression, he installed fascism, completely turning around the economy creating great wealth. I'm not saying Hitler was right in what he was doing but he did do great things for the German economy. Moving on to why it is better, fascism is better in every way due to the fact that you can create a thriving economy in little time.
Socialism failed in Soviet Russia because they don't know how to run a country. Going back to how Fascist/Nazi Germany thrived being one of the most powerful empires at the time due to fascism. You may argue that fascism doesn't work because Nazi Germany failed, blah blah blah. The reason Fascist Nazi Germany failed is because the leader not fascism, Hitler needed oil he failed to achieve this. Without oil he could not produce armaments, without armaments he began to lose power. Thus leading to the fall of Nazi Germany. Moving on to present day Fascism, it is making a strong comeback. We are seeing a rise of Fascism in Germany, https://www.anu.edu.au.... Fascism is making a comeback, we first saw this in Germany in 1991, it was quickly shot down because no one wanted another Hitler in power.
Debate Round No. 2
silent999death

Pro

You may say that the germans did a great economic feat. But how did they do it. With socialist policies such as government work projects and nationalization of many sectors of industry. Another point you made is that socialism failed in the soviet union which i already debunked. calling yourself one thing doesn't make it true. I can say that I am a millionaire but it doesn't make it true.

Another point is your rise of fascism in Europe. Could you tell me why this is happening, Because of the rise of migration to Europe from Africa and the middle east. And why might that be happening. If you guessed fallout from colonialism and interventionism. It's the basic principle of cause and effect: cause- you rape and pillage a land for 100 years, then just leave, and once anti-west governments start showing up you bomb them. Effect- Migrants flood in and some of them of radical islamist.

I actually have a question that i would like you to clarify next round as to what you meant by what the Scandinavian countries have done historically?
keep_me_updated

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Debate Round No. 3
silent999death

Pro

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Debate Round No. 4
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