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vapenhandel
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Michaelphelps
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Socialism is better than capitalism

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Started: 9/21/2013 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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vapenhandel

Pro

In today"s society, we are often told by the western media that capitalism is the only system viable. It may not be great, but it is the best we have is what we know. But that is not true. Capitalism is not viable and not a great system. Socialism is however, a greater system which promotes social ownership, equality, rights and democracy. We shall go through how capitalism oppresses worker rights and significantly demises democracy.
Under the current system where profits are put before people, workers rights are being played with. The wages and conditions of the workers are constantly being pushed down and it is very hard for them to survive. The rights of outsourced workers are the most played with though.
These workers work over 12 hour working days, technically get 1 day off a week but this is hardly enforced and many workers end up working 7 days a week, 12 hours a day, and almost 365 days a year. The CEO pretends he has no idea of the conditions of the factory worker, but in reality, he does. He will blame the problems on the manager of the factory, who gets paid lower than a cleaner in his office block.
As Karl Marx said, "The CEO lives longer without the worker than the worker lives without him." In 2013 a Bangladeshi factory which produced clothes for the British clothing company Primark, the American clothing company Benetton and the mega-store WALMART collapsed and killed 1129 people and injured over 2000. Cracks were discovered in the building and the other parts which had apartments and stores in were evacuated, but the factory was not. The CEO had made sure that the factory would produce a certain amount of clothing for them and they should not stop unless... eh... the building actually collapses. Which it did. The workers in these factories were "living" on 38 euros a month.
This event really shone light on the fact that the world needs to change. But did it? No. These factories still exist all over Asia. These factories should not be closed down, but the workers deserve much better wages and conditions. If we must continue to live in such a terrible system, it will only get worse.
The companies such as WALMART reduce costs in such a great scale that buildings with THEIR workers in collapse. This collapse was not an accident, the deaths were entirely preventable. If these companies had taken their workers seriously They might have seen another day.
It is not only international workers who are suffering, but also domestic workers. In America, worker suppression is only increasing. There are fast food workers who live at the minimum wage which is under 9 dollars an hour. These workers are however not allowed to work past certain amount of hours to maximise the profits and the low wages result in very poor workers. These workers often live in poor suburbs and can be single fathers and mothers who look after many kids on their own. The gap between the rich and the poor is increasing and this is due to the pushing down of wages by the capitalist. They cannot support themselves or their families in the ever-inflating American economy while CEOs and other high-flying bosses are happily living very affluent lives. In socialism worker rights are promoted to the top of the interests under social ownership of goods enterprises. The reason worker rights are suppressed is due to the incentive of very large profit margins, but in socialism profits would be abolished in order to allow people to pay for goods at low prices and making sure they are of high quality and that workers are paid with appropriate pay, instead of just CEOs.
Michaelphelps

Con

Socialism is a terrible system.

You stated that: "Socialism is however, a greater system which promotes social ownership, equality, rights and democracy. We shall go through how capitalism oppresses worker rights and significantly demises democracy"

without capitalism there is no drive to succeed Capitalism provides incentives to succeed and innovate.

it is completely ok to give workers minimum wage those labour jobs. It provides a drive and incentive to do your best and try to succeed.


The CEO's are living the high life. because they had ideas and the will to succeed. whereas others do not have the drive to become great and utilize good ideas.

If governments own the means of production and set prices, it invariably leads to a powerful state and creates a large bureaucracy which may extend into other areas of life.
Debate Round No. 1
vapenhandel

Pro

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Michaelphelps

Con

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Debate Round No. 2
vapenhandel

Pro

vapenhandel forfeited this round.
Michaelphelps

Con

i assume this debate is over.
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