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SGM_iz_SekC
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Guidestone
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Socialism provides more incentive to work than capitalism.

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Started: 6/5/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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SGM_iz_SekC

Pro

As I am pro I am arguing that socialism provides people with a larger incentive to work and contribute to society than capitalism. Con will be arguing that capitalism provides people with a larger incentive to work and contribute to society than socialism.

1st round is for acceptance and last round no new info can be brought up.
Guidestone

Con

I accept and am very interested how Pro will present their case.
Debate Round No. 1
SGM_iz_SekC

Pro

Growing numbers of people are concerned about the state of the world and the fate of the planet. Do things have to be this way? No, there is a real world alternative: socialism and communism. But people are constantly bombarded with the message that socialism has failed and that capitalism is the best of all possible worlds. A whole generation of young people has basically heard nothing else about socialism other than it is a nightmare. This rewriting of history" has also influenced many progressive intellectuals. There are people in this room hungering for an alternative to this system. Who want to do something meaningful for humanity with their lives. Humanity can move beyond exploitation and social division. It can move towards a classless society and a world of freely associating human beings communism. We live in a time when the permanence of capitalism is trumpeted. We are told that the verdict on the 20th century has been delivered: the socialist experiment has failed and can only fail. We are bombarded with the idea that there is no alternative, that capitalism is the natural order of things. We are told that as much as capitalism has problems, any attempts to get rid of it will make things far worse. We live in a time when the permanence of capitalism is trumpeted. We are told that the verdict on the 20th century has been delivered: the socialist experiment has failed and can only fail. We are bombarded with the idea that there is no alternative, that capitalism is the natural order of things. We are told that as much as capitalism has problems, any attempts to get rid of it will make things far worse. There's just one problem. This conventional wisdom about communism is not true. It is built on the wholesale distortion of the actual history of socialist revolution. Lies and slanders are repeated endlessly and become accepted as self-evidently true. I have to say it's amazing what passes as intellectual rigor and sadly it's amazing what gets over on people who pride themselves on intellectual rigor and honesty. Crude speculation, statistical approximations and evaluation methods that nobody would take seriously if they had been applied in their own professions, reliance on highly subjective memoirs by people with political agendas these things are somehow acceptable when the subject is communism. Imagine a society where people consciously learn about and transform the world...where people are no longer imprisoned by the chains of tradition and ignorance...where people not only cooperatively work to produce the necessities of life, but get into art and culture and science and have fun doing it...where the scientific outlook and the flight of imagination strengthen and inspire each other...where there is unity and diversity, far-ranging debate, and ideological struggle over the direction and development of society but no longer stamped by social antagonism...where people interact with each other based on mutual respect, concern, and love for humanity. A world that cares about and takes care of the environment. That is communism. Communism is a worldwide society and it is yet to be achieved in which all classes and class distinctions have been overcome; all systems and relations of exploitation abolished; all oppressive social institutions and relations of social inequality, like racial discrimination and the domination of women by men, put an end to; and oppressive and backward ideas and values cast off. Communism is a world of abundance, where people together hold all of society's resources in common. Communism also refers to communist ideology. Now often people think that ideology" means some set of politically motivated ideas that bias everything you look at. No, by communist ideology I mean the comprehensive outlook and scientific method of the proletariat for understanding the actual forces operating in nature and in society. Communist ideology points the way to an historic advance in humanity's ability to understand and transform these natural and social forces. And communist ideology provides a morality that corresponds to the great leap that humanity has already begun to make. Imagine a society where people consciously learn about and transform the world...where people are no longer imprisoned by the chains of tradition and ignorance...where people not only cooperatively work to produce the necessities of life, but get into art and culture and science and have fun doing it...where the scientific outlook and the flight of imagination strengthen and inspire each other...where there is unity and diversity, far-ranging debate, and ideological struggle over the direction and development of society but no longer stamped by social antagonism...where people interact with each other based on mutual respect, concern, and love for humanity. A world that cares about and takes care of the environment. That is communism.
Communism is a worldwide society and it is yet to be achieved in which all classes and class distinctions have been overcome; all systems and relations of exploitation abolished; all oppressive social institutions and relations of social inequality, like racial discrimination and the domination of women by men, put an end to; and oppressive and backward ideas and values cast off. Communism is a world of abundance, where people together hold all of society's resources in common.[1]

Socialism allows one person to make a huge difference in society. One extra person working betters the life of everyone! This gives more incentive to work than capitalism, where one only betters them-self.
Guidestone

Con

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Debate Round No. 2
SGM_iz_SekC

Pro

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Guidestone

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
SGM_iz_SekC

Pro

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Guidestone

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
SGM_iz_SekC

Pro

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Guidestone

Con

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by SGM_iz_SekC 2 years ago
SGM_iz_SekC
I apologize I forgot the source for my first argument!

[1] http://revcom.us...
Posted by Mike_10-4 2 years ago
Mike_10-4
Free-markets are an outgrowth of life"s Unalienable Rights, which is an outgrowth of the Constructal Law, which is an outgrowth of the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which is part of the physical Laws of Nature. Therefore, the laws of economics are part of the physical Laws of Nature.

http://www.amazon.com...

http://www.bookdaily.com...

Socialism is not part of the equation. It will be interesting how this debate goes, and I"m looking forward in learning something new.
Posted by Guidestone 2 years ago
Guidestone
I hope so too. Even though I am not a big fan of capitalism, I think in at least this case it is better.
Posted by SGM_iz_SekC 2 years ago
SGM_iz_SekC
@guidestone I like debating against you. You truly do bring up great arguments and evidence; I hope this debate is enjoyable. Good luck and have fun!
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Vote Placed by Enoch_deftinwolf 2 years ago
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