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DaveRamseyRKO
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Socialism

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Started: 12/11/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Tranny

Pro

I believe socialism is the best of all political systems that we know of, especially in modern society.
Socialism involves political power being given to the general people. Political decisions are in the hands of the people and the people decide what general policies are passed. In this way, no one agency can have too much power, instead of having one or even a few people decide what they think is best.
Socialism is not Communism. Communism necessarily involves a dictatorship or an oligarchy. History has shown that when power is concentrated, people without power or means are generally neglected, even if they represent the majority. Pure socialism solves that problem.


Socialism also solves the problem of limited political participation.
The problem with a system like the one in the U.S. is that the party system limits us to the parties and what the parties propose to do. If we don't like the Democrats, we can choose the Republicans. If we don't like the Republicans, we choose the Democrats. It's either that or have no political voice because everything else is marginalized. So my political participation is limited to the Republican and Democrat platform? That's it? That's really dumb. What if the policies of the Democrats and the Republicans contradict the wants of the majority? There's literally nothing we can do except petition for change and hope it passes. We can petition all we want, but those in power want to stay in power, meaning those with the means to help them remain in power get their voices heard first and foremost in most cases. In a socialist system, the majority can decide: Hey, we don't like what you're doing, change that or we remove you. And the system will allow for the majority to remove the policymakers from office.

That's what I call power in the people!
DaveRamseyRKO

Con

Anarchism also puts the power in the hands of the people. What makes socialism much better than anarchism?
Debate Round No. 1
Tranny

Pro

That's easy. Anarchy literally is the system in which there is no power given to anyone at all. Anarchy is no government. Socialism is a form of government. Socialism is a form of governing a state. Anarchy is nothing.
You should respond to what I'm actually saying. Contradict something!
DaveRamseyRKO

Con

Personally I find that socialism is not a good idea because if you put the power in the hands of the people, it sound a fair and all. However, the majority of the people focus their lives off of greed and selfishness. If we leave the decisions in the hands of those people in the name of equality, we are leaving the whole government system susceptible to a large amount of corruption.
Debate Round No. 2
Tranny

Pro

Tranny forfeited this round.
DaveRamseyRKO

Con

I'll jut leave my closing arguement here, Socialism is bad, according to debate.org
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by AIyssa 1 year ago
AIyssa
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Posted by AIyssa 1 year ago
AIyssa
The admin made me close my account because Tranny is too offensive of a name apparently.
When has there ever been a case in which the majority proves corrupt to itself? On the other hand history has shown that when power is concentrated, those in power generally become corrupt.
"Majority of the people focus their lives off of greed and selfishness."
That's not even true. Anyway, if power is shared, how can corruption happen? Corruption is literally having one or a group or groups of people take power and then abuse the power to stay in power or get personal gains. You're saying the majority is corrupt based on nothing!!
Posted by Tranny 1 year ago
Tranny
Ludwig von Miserable is wrong. Socialism empowers the people, but it doesn't say that there can't be an electoral system in which the people entrust a selected group to do what is right. The people are however allowed the power to decide whether or not they can oust this group. Maybe have a formal process or something. Otherwise, let the group make policies as would benefit the people. Those willing to step up to fill the role of policymakers must be indoctrinated by the people.
Posted by ParkeProTennis 1 year ago
ParkeProTennis
The fundamental objection advanced against the practicability of socialism refers to the impossibility of economic calculation. It has been demonstrated in an irrefutable way that a socialist commonwealth would not be in a position to apply economic calculation. Where there are no market prices for the factors of production because they are neither bought nor sold, it is impossible to resort to calculation in planning future action and in determining the result of past action. A socialist management of production would simply not know whether or not what it plans and executes is the most appropriate means to attain the ends sought. It will operate in the dark, as it were. It will squander the scarce factors of production both material and human (labour). Chaos and poverty for all will unavoidably result.
- Ludwig von Mises
Posted by Mike_10-4 1 year ago
Mike_10-4
I would take this debate, if I was not too busy with other debates. In the meantime, here is some viewing background for those who like to take the challenge.
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Vote Placed by Blade-of-Truth 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct - Con. Pro forfeited the final round which is rarely acceptable conduct in any debate setting. S&G - Tie. Both had adequate spelling and grammar. Arguments - Con. Pro was unable to provide any rebuttals to the final challenges presented by Con. Due to this, Con wins arguments. Sources - Tie. Neither utilized sources in this debate.