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Adam2
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iamanatheistandthisiswhy
Con (against)
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Sodahead is cheap

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iamanatheistandthisiswhy
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/15/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,500 times Debate No: 59005
Debate Rounds (5)
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Votes (2)

 

Adam2

Pro

I will argue the point above. First round is for acceptance.
iamanatheistandthisiswhy

Con

I accept this debate.

As my opponent did not define cheap I will define it.

Cheap: not worth a lot of money. (1)

(1) http://www.merriam-webster.com...
Debate Round No. 1
Adam2

Pro

Adam2 forfeited this round.
iamanatheistandthisiswhy

Con

My opponent has deactivated their account. As such I am posting to hasten the end of the debate.

And vote for me :)
Debate Round No. 2
Adam2

Pro

Adam2 forfeited this round.
iamanatheistandthisiswhy

Con

It seems my opponent didn't close his account but was on a temporary ban. So welcome back and lets get this debate moving along.

As I have stated previously Sodahead is not cheap, and this can be verified when we consider that Sodahead has an investment of 12.7 million USD.(1) This means that to my opponent 12.7 million USD dollars is cheap. My opponent in fact needs to demonstrate why this amount of money is cheap to win this debate. Also, it is important to realize that this investment money is private money and so this money does not come from floating the company on the stock market.

In fact if Sodahead is such a cheap website, then why does it garner 4.3 million unique hits in America alone per month and 7.0 million globally.(2) Surely these statistics demonstrate largely that Sodahead is anything but cheap.

I now hand the debate back to my opponent who will try demonstrate why Sodahead is cheap.


(1) http://www.crunchbase.com...
(2) https://www.quantcast.com...

Debate Round No. 3
Adam2

Pro

I don't mean cheap in that way, but rather than Sodahead has a very lie-filled organization. Well for one, many of the users (not all though) are backstabbers. They pretend to be your friend only to block you if you don't impress them or agree with their bigoted views. Another is that the head of the site, Michael Glazer, who doesn't even put this in his rules, will ban you for not agree with the views of the site. So yes in that way it's a cheap fraud. The only good thing about it (and I'm conceding as this is just a side note) is that you don't have to pay for it, because if I did, I'd really be in steaming heat. But Sodahead is a fraud that deserved to be banned off the internet for ripping people off who don't agree with the majority view. A similar thing can be said about Funadvice, whos mod, Jeremy Goodrich, is even more of a bastard than Glazer (as I had the unfortunate position of having to deal with his abusive emails). Sodahead should have a different mod or they should be kicked out if he's gonna be a tyrant. One of the two.
http://www.complaintsboard.com...
http://www.complaintsboard.com...

It's a real shame, cause badass users, like this tomboy homie of mine from England

http://www.sodahead.com...

Have to put up with this crap!
iamanatheistandthisiswhy

Con

My opponent wanted me to clarify the following point.

In the last round when my opponent wrote "The only good thing about it (and I'm conceding as this is just a side note) is that you don't have to pay for it,"
what they meant to say was
"The only good thing about it (and I'm not conceding as this is just a side note) is that you don't have to pay for it,"

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Thanks to my opponent.

Firstly, I think we need to be frank that the proposition of this debate seems more to be a rant (or a vendetta) against some people that my opponent disagrees with.

I completely disagree with my opponent when they say cheap means "a very lie -filled organization". However, to prove that your opinion on Sodahead is biased, I will use your two sources presented which paint a very different picture to what you say about the moderators at Sodahead.

The first complaint says the following:
"A diatribe of the deranged, Sodahead is the default home of left-wing bias and propaganda.........The socialist rhetoric......liberals make great pets but lousy site designers"(1)

The second complaint says the following:
"It's a right winged site and if you don't hate Obama, women's rights, and if you aren't a Christian, you get deactivated......The right blocks you from commenting........ right to come in and attack the left, ...... "(2)

So what is it right or left? Is it liberal or is it not? And the questions keep mounting. All these complaints show that various people have various opinions.

In conclusion, my opponent has disproved their own argument and as such the contention that Sodahead is cheap (the definition provided by my opponent I reject) on any level is blatantly false as I have sufficiently demonstrated.

I hand the debate back to my opponent for their closing statements.


(1) http://www.complaintsboard.com...
(2) http://www.complaintsboard.com...

Debate Round No. 4
Adam2

Pro

It is lie based
https://www.youtube.com...
as you can see, he actually makes house rules, as he calls them, which he does not put in the contract, does misleading and potentially hiding stuff from people into their unsuspecting scam
the complaints, even though they were of different political parties, indicate that Sodahead has an elitism problem

Anyways, thanks for this debate.

iamanatheistandthisiswhy

Con

Thanks again to my opponent, however I am not sure what your point is yet again.

The Youtube video linked was just the founders explaining how they are making the website easier to link to from other news sites. This is an advantage that they are/were implementing so it seems they are being helpful and not liars?

In this debate, I have effectively refuted all of Pros argument and shown that Sodahead is in fact not cheap.

Now I hand the debate over to the voters.

Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by iamanatheistandthisiswhy 2 years ago
iamanatheistandthisiswhy
@ChosenWolff: Thanks I will check it out.
Posted by ChosenWolff 2 years ago
ChosenWolff
Iamanatheist, I encourage you to read this link. You wouldn't believe the hate filled and twisted $hit on that site. You will be harassed and devoured alive. The only form of debate is done by posting bible quotes. http://www.sitejabber.com...
Posted by Adam2 2 years ago
Adam2
ChosenWolff
I honestly don't care what you say.
Posted by ChosenWolff 2 years ago
ChosenWolff
It's funny, because you're racist. They are bigots though. Hell, I never seen a more hateful site. Only reasonable people are the libertarians, and IE, a little reasonable
Posted by Adam2 2 years ago
Adam2
ChosenWolff
They're not like that because they are conservatives with good concern. They're like that cause they're bigots. It's not disapproval of lifestyles it's bigotry.
That's why I say this site should go in the gutter. It's worthless.
Posted by ChosenWolff 2 years ago
ChosenWolff
Watch and wait
Posted by ChosenWolff 2 years ago
ChosenWolff
I don't agree with adam2 often, but I am seeing some of the most hate filled $hit on that site. It is weird, full of tea baggers, who insult Muslims and Homosexuals 24/7.
Posted by ChosenWolff 2 years ago
ChosenWolff
Adam2, did some research around the web. You're actually not wrong, although a bit silly in your complaints. The owners remind me of the koch brothers, and only appoint extreme right mods.
Posted by ChosenWolff 2 years ago
ChosenWolff
You do realize the first excerpt link "bashing on the website", was being sarcastic, right? I tried that site once. I had to flee, because it had a huge conservative infestation.
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct - Con. Pro forfeited two rounds. This is rarely acceptable behavior in any debate setting. Arguments - Con. Pro presented definitions that seemed to be heavily biased in his favor and had all of his contentions easily defeated. This is a clear win for Con.
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Reasons for voting decision: I don't think Iamanatheist was arguing the same resoulution adam2 was. Sodahead is known as the "tea party" of the internet, so I sympathize with Adam 2 here. I have never saw so much hate filled bull$hit on one site. Muslims were being harassed, this one homosexual kept being called a pervert and got banned (before my eyes). Keeping up with Adam2's rant, they do indeed ban people who try to defend homosexuality, abortion, Islam, or zionism. None the less, as evidently seen, the resolution was negated in R3's rebuttal, and Adam2 refused to counter refute it. This was an automatic win for con. I don't know what to say about R1 and R2. I don't buy that Con honestly thought the resolution was about money. With that said, I encourage anyone with any sanity, to stay away from that site. It is weird, and encourages bigotry and anything other than opinion. It has a 1 star rating here http://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/www.sodahead.com