Sons of Anarchy vs. the Walking Dead battle
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Round 1: Acceptance
Round 2: Opening arguments
Round 3: Rebuttals/further arguments.
Point #1 "Experience":
Not to say some of the people of Rick's group do not have any prior combat experience, as I am sure that Rick, Abraham and possibly Daryl certainly had combat experience walking into the apocalypse as well as years of gun experience under their belts, but any experience these three had before the apocalypse in addition to the experience accrued by all of them by their time surviving in their tumultuous times pales in comparison to the collective experience of SAMCRO.
Every member of SAMCRO has either military or otherwise advanced combat training. Jax Teller himself is a former green beret, Chibs Telford is a former troop in the British Army and member of the True IRA, Tig Trager is a veteran of the American Navy and the pattern continues as such with every member, though not every member's full background is mentioned.
SAMCRO, in addition to having far more military experience than there Walking Dead counterparts, has a lot of more experience killing people, dealing with gang-like groups, life or death situations, and surviving on "the streets" per se.
Point #2 "Weapons":
It is also prudent to point out that SAMCRO is far more heavily armed than Rick's group. Rick's group is armed with military grade weaponry at their point in their story, yes, but SAMCRO not only has similar weapons but every member has multiple backups of them and they have proven themselves capable of furnishing themselves with even more powerful weapons, such a mounted machine guns and rocket launchers, as they are either stored safely away in the clubhouse or warehouse at any given time.
Minor Point #3 "Ruthlessness":
While Ricks group, of course, has long since gone over the edge of what is normally considered merciful, they still are not yet on the level of SAMCRO. That is to say, that some members of Rick's group (Glenn, Maggie, Tyreese, Gabriel, Judith, Carl and Eugene) either lack the ability to do extensive harm to other people, lack the will or both. Every fully capable member of SAMCRO has been trained, and successfully so, to give no quarter to those that they see is a threat to them or their brothers or even has information that can be considered dangerous to SAMCRO. The Sons are degenerates who will not hesitate to cause very inhumane pain and torture and certainly will not waver for a second to kill anyone.
And yes, of course, the same could be said for many members of Rick's group (Rick, Daryl and Michonne), but they aren't as numerous.
John Teller, the president and one of the two founders of the club, began to doubt the life that he had built after the death of his second son, Thomas, and the fact of how lawless him and his conrads have become. John writes a manifesto of sorts about how The Sons of Anarchy seems to have lost its way. Soon after completing this work, Vice President of the mother charter (SAMCRO) Clay Morrow, conspired with Gemma, John's wife and Clay's girlfriend to kill John. John seemingly committed suicide on the road, but his bike had actually been rigged by Clay.
About 15 years later, Clay Morrow is now the President of the SAMCRO charter, married to Gemma, and his Vice President is Jackson "Jax" Teller, John's older son, who has recently turned 30. Jax is now married and his wife, Wendy, has a child minutes into the first episode. After the birth of his son, Jax soon finds his father's manuscript stowed away in a box in storage. This causes Jax to begin to question the state of SAMCRO as well.
Throughout the first 7 seasons of Sons of Anarchy, Jax and SAMCRO suffers through many trials and tribulations. Jax discovers Clay's hand in his father's death and forcibly takes the "President" patch in the season 4 finale allowing Clay to live long enough to be killed by Jax himself later in season 6. Jax also reconvenes with a former high school flame, Tara, and begins to cort her as well. Jax and Tara eventually marry in season 5 and have a kid together, Thomas, only for Tara to be killed by Gemma is the season 6 finale. SAMCRO itself suffers many losses: Clay and Piney, two of the last three of the 8 original members of SOA, Jax's childhood best friend, Opie, Juice, Otto and others. But SAMCRO also gains many new members as well.
At the season 7 premiere (at which the battle between Sons of Anarchy and the Walking Dead begins), Jax is currently livid with anger as he is trying find the killer of his wife, Tara, and the rest of the members of SAMCRO are drawn even closer together than they have throughout the entire series in a unified rampage that tears through several large and intimidating enemy gangs and factions.
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