Debate Rounds (3)
Resolution: We have a reason to believe that soul exists, other then to be more convincing when we say it does.
Pro has burden of proof. Pro will make arguments in Round 1.
- Reliable sources will not be taken into account
- Forfeit results in loss
Where could these greater dimensions be found?
The only place that would seem logical is within.
I will use our minds as an example.
We can move our consciousness from this reality to our own. never truly being in both with complete focus.
We can alter time and space there. It can be considered a 4-d universe of our own we fill with information we gain in life.
It is believed the mind is a result of the brain.
Can the result continue to exist even though what created it has perished?
we are simply a cloud of electrons, if such electrons can not be truly destroyed can this additional aspect of ourselves truly be destroyed? or does it become self sustained and free from its 3 dimensional form?
The soul is a logical possibility, it is a rational expectation.
to prove it could exist is possible, to prove it does exist is irrelevant.
R2) World with more then 4 dimensions(incl. time) is inconceivable.
Q1) What is dimensional aspect and how is it measured?
Q2) Within what?
1. the state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings.
2. a person's awareness or perception of something.
Neither state, or awareness or perception can move.
R4) Mind is not result of the brain, it is function of the brain; One of the things brain does.
R5) Matter is indestructible, it can only change its form. As far as we know, atoms that once were part of human body are no different then atoms that never were.
In our minds we can manipulate time and 3-D space, yet the 4-dimensions found outside our mind are not altered making them independent.
we can conceive more then 4 Dimensions.
When one daydreams they are not conscious of their surroundings, only of the alternative world of their mind.
you can then say there are therefore 8 dimensions, 2 independent groups of 4 dimensions. the outer 4-dimensions and inner 4 dimensions with the connection being the brain.
if consciousness were sand and these 2 groups of dimensions were opposite sides of an hour glass. we can roughly illustrate how consciousness can travel back and forth between the inner and outer dimensions.
If the 2 dimensional groups (inner&outer)can not interact without brain, even with the destruction of the brain how can mind completely be destroyed?
only one side of the hourglass is destroyed(outer), not both, making the other half(intact inner half) immortal.
R6) No, we can't "manipulate time and 3-D space", we can imagine world with less dimensions, and we can imagine we are doing something in these dimensions. But, we can't imagine new dimensions. We can only think about 4 dimensions that do exist.
R7) Mind does not have "alternative world". Daydreaming is only brain processing information.
About brain-mind relation: http://youtu.be...
R8) If brain is destroyed, there is no more mind either. Of course past will not alter, all thoughts that were, will remain in the past. But after brain is destroyed, there will be no more new thoughts.
Conclusion: My opponent failed to name a reason for us to believe that soul exists. Vote Con.
The mind does not exist in this 4-D world.
We can run through vivid visualized scenarios in our mind with full control over the objects and time in our minds.
A blind man can still imagine shapes without a visual representation gained through sight.
We may contribute to our minds through sensory organs, but even if we had less our minds would not be less.(Helen Keller)
Mind does not have an alternate world... Mind IS an alternative 4-d world where we manipulate time and space.
The brain being destroyed does not merit the destruction of the mind.
The brain is simply the connection between the 2 groups of 4 dimensions. Destroying the brain is only destroying the connection.
Since the brain is the only connection, the mind becomes intangible therefore Immortal.
Regardless of if you can continue to think or it is partial, it is still there, it is immaterial, it is immortal
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Vote Placed by revic 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con showed a reasoning that was to the point, while pro didn't really define what he was arguing for... Pro chose to talk about assumptions of a fourth dimension, however he did not dig into it enough to really convince us of anything. He said himself it was just a probability, while Con has proven that mind is not located in any other dimension therefore if mind would be the soul, then Pro's entire idea falls apart. Instead, pro chose to argue in favor of "mind=soul". That's why con wins.
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