Soup is not a meal. Jerry Seinfeld was supposed to buy Kenny Bania a meal.
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I firmly believe that the event that occured between Jerry and Kenny was a meal. There are a few reasons for this. First of all, I believe that a "meal" in the sense it was used is the actual physical act of going to a restaurant and eating together. It does not matter what is consumed because it is the company of the other person that is the chief attribute of the meal. Soup is also certainly filling enough to be a meal on many occasions. The only constraint on a meal is that it consist of food, since soup is food, soup would count as a meal.
Further, Jerry tried to rememdy the situation by eating with Bania at Monk's, the coffee shop, where he ordered soup AND a sandwhich. However, Bania again tried to change the deal by saying that Jerry had to take him to a nice restaurant like Mendy's.
This tells me that Bania didn't care about just any "meal" because no one can argue that soup and a sandwhich is a meal.
If Bania was so concerned about the monetary cost of the meal then why didn't he simply ask Jerry to pay him something for the suit? The reason is that his goal all along was to try to drag Jerry into being his friend and using the suit to do so. That being the case it is clear that Kenny is in the wrong in this situation because he gave Jerry the suit under false pretenses.
BEN875 forfeited this round.
The answers to both questions favor Jerry in this debate. It was clear that Bania wanted to enjoy Jerry's company during this meal. If he didn't he simply would have asked for some money for the suit. Or, if he was really jonesing for swordfish at Mendy's, he could have asked for some money or a gift card for the meal. It is clear that Bania wanted to enjoy Jerry's company, that was part of the meal.
Now, a meal is food consumed, soup is food comsumed, therefore soup is a meal. Soup can be very filling. If you define a meal as something that sates your appetite then the soup that Bania ate was a meal, because by his own admission he couldn't order anything else because of the hotdog he ate earlier. So, the soup obviously sated whatever appetite he had before going to Mendy's.
Also, Elaine's opinion doesn't matter. In a debate the opinions of non-experts that are not participating in the debate is meaningless. Unless you can show that Elaine was an expert on what constitutes a meal than that argument won't fly.
I will admit though, Bania did look huge after all that weightlifting.
What Jerry did with the soup is no different. He got technical, took advantage of the fact that Bania didn't think he had to spell out the kind of meal he had in mind, and claimed that an appetizer/side dish was a meal. That is a clear cut cheap shot.
What that leaves us with is this: Jerry's company was a big part of the meal, we must define what is a meal.
Dictionary.com defines a meal in this way: –noun 1. the food served and eaten esp. at one of the customary, regular occasions for taking food during the day, as breakfast, lunch, or supper.
2. one of these regular occasions or times for eating food.
Meriam-Webster defines it this way: 1 : an act or the time of eating a portion of food to satisfy appetite
2 : the portion of food eaten at a meal.
Both agree that the actual act of eating is a meal. This would mean that Jerry took Bania out to a meal.
Both agree that what is eaten (no matter the portion size) is a meal. This would mean that Jerry took Bania out to a meal.
The Meriam-Webster entry has the further specification that the portion satisfy appetite. Jerry urged Bania to eat more and he claimed that he could not because he was full from the hotdog he ate earlier. That bears repeating, He was FULL. Obviously the soup satisfied his appetite, so the meal even passes the test of that further specification.
In every sense and definition of the word Jerry took Bania out to a meal. Bania was the one trying to pull a technicality by not ordering more food and claiming that Jerry owed him another meal. When Jerry tried to make up for this by buing him soup AND a sandwhich at Monk's, Bania again tried to alter the deal.
Jerry did buy Bania a meal, not once but twice. Bania is in the wrong in this argument, Jerry is in the right.
I would like to thank my very worthy opponent for this debate, it has been very fun. I would also like to thank everyone who viewed the debate and commented on it.
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Vote Placed by MrMarkP37 7 years ago
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