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lr4n6champion
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South Ossetia Has Every (Philosophical) Right to Secede from Georgia.

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Started: 8/12/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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C-Mach

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The South Ossetian people are no longer satisfied with being governed by Georgia and have decided to secede (with Russian help). In my opinion, they (South Ossetia and Abkhazia) have every (philosophical) right to secede.
lr4n6champion

Con

Philosophical: Pertaining to philosophy

Philosophy: 1. a system of principles for guidance in practical affairs
2. the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct

Dictionary.com

Now when we look a philosophical rights and in this debate particularly the right of South Osseria to secede we have to look closely at what philosophy is.

Now different people have different philosophy and that is apparent but as the definitions I have posted and common sense, philosophy has to be based on practicality and rational thinking together.

Practically and rationally thinking, people dying is neither practical nor rational for the secession of a nation from another that is already a democracy and provides (philosophically) all power to the people. The South Ossetians are in a system of government in which all rights are with the people, so in that sense they can't claim they don't get individual freedom.

Now just because South Ossetia doesn't like Georgia there is no philosophical (which is based on rationality and practical thinking) secession would cause violence, as it did, and death of many people for the satisfaction of few.

As I said earlier, violence, death, and even more escalation (if foreign powers like NATO and Russia got tangled) would not be practical or rational and in turn South Ossetia should not philisophically have this right

You base this philosophical right on your opinion and people in the world have many different opinions, so what we really have to look at is rationality and practicality, the essence of philosophy

Therefore we should negate this resolution
Debate Round No. 1
C-Mach

Pro

C-Mach forfeited this round.
lr4n6champion

Con

OK, well then I guess all of my arguments are accepted... South Ossetia has no philosophical right to secede
Debate Round No. 2
C-Mach

Pro

I should have made this one round. Sorry. By the way, I think this needs to be longer. Oh, wait! It doesn't need to be! 100 characters!
lr4n6champion

Con

Oh ok, well then I guess I should just try to type enough characters to ame sure the window doesn;t come up saying I didn't type enough characters
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Derek.Gunn 8 years ago
Derek.Gunn
Things are not so clear cut.
Most of the South Ossetians are Russian passport holders because Russia advertised widely that they'd give free passports to anyone in S.O. who wanted one.
It's not clear (at least to me) that Georgia instigated the conflict against Russia.
I think they may have been bullying the SOs, which Russia then used as an excuse to make a land grab.

I get the distinct impression that with Putin at the helm, the USSR is putting itself back together again.
Posted by brian_eggleston 8 years ago
brian_eggleston
I was obviously obliged, nonetheless, to vote Con.
Posted by brian_eggleston 8 years ago
brian_eggleston
Shame - could have been a good debate - since the South Ossetians are mainly Russian passport holders and it was Georgia that instigated this conflict, the argument could have been a heated and worthwhile one.
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