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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/18/2010 Category: Education
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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RogueScholar

Pro

Frankly speaking Puck, the other methods that I'm sure you would advocate has harmed many students over the years because their out of control peers (bullies) have physically harmed them and intimidated them. But it is an awful crime and "sin" if a principal were to spank one of these poor, misfortunate bullies. Let me ask you a question,when was the last time you were bullied at work? I'm sure never. But we let this happen to well-behaved kids everyday, who all they want to do is be in school and follow the rules. But I forgot, the "experts" like you have all the answers. Fill me in on your solutions, because I'm going to take them and make a lots of money writing a book and doing workshops across the country.
Puck

Con

Since, RogueScholar, has yet to post an actual argument, R1 essentially being a GRRRRR rant. I'll let RogueScholar actually make an argument so I have something to rebut.

Should this rant behaviour continue, I will likewise postpone till the final round, introduce the same argument as can be found in this thread:

http://www.debate.org...

RogueScholar, now has the opportunity to provide sound evidence that corporal punishment is indeed effective and not a throwback to Catholicism inspired educational methods that rightfully belong in the past. :)
Debate Round No. 1
RogueScholar

Pro

RogueScholar forfeited this round.
Puck

Con

It appears the rogue is being most dour in his approach to debating.
Debate Round No. 2
RogueScholar

Pro

RogueScholar forfeited this round.
Puck

Con

While corporal punishment may in cases induce immediate behavioural conformity, long term behaviour management has not at all shown to be effective (to the contrary in fact). The breadth of negative behaviours and negative mental artifacts associated with corporal punishment should be indication enough that as a method of behavioural modification, it should simply be abandoned. At its most basic the administration of corporal punishment legitimises the practice of violence by using violent means to solve behaviour problems.

Just so RogueScholar understands some idea of the mass of data against his proclaimed (see the thread) supported position, I set out this round only with research found in a 5 minute run of basic database mining.

Increased child/adolescent aggression, misconduct:

Associations between Maternal Physical Discipline and Peer Victimization among Hong Kong Chinese Children: The Moderating Role of Child Aggression
Mylien T Duong, David Schwartz, Lei Chang, Brynn M Kelly, Shelley R Tom. Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology. New York: Oct 2009. Vol. 37, Iss. 7; pg. 957-967.

Risk Factor Models for Adolescent Verbal and Physical Aggression Toward Fathers
Linda Pagani, Richard E Tremblay, Daniel Nagin, Mark Zoccolillo, et al. Journal of Family Violence. New York: Apr 2009. Vol. 24, Iss. 3; pg. 173-183.

Relations of parenting style to Chinese children's effortful control, ego resilience, and maladjustment
Nancy Eisenberg, Lei Chang, Yue Ma, Xiaorui Huang. Development and Psychopathology. Cambridge: May 2009. Vol. 21, Iss. 2; pg. 455, 23

Owen, S. S. (2005). The relationship between social capital and corporal punishment in schools: A theoretical inquiry. Youth & Society, 37, 85-112.

Correlated to greater abusive parenting:

Relations of parenting style to Chinese children's effortful control, ego resilience, and maladjustment
Nancy Eisenberg, Lei Chang, Yue Ma, Xiaorui Huang. Development and Psychopathology. Cambridge: May 2009. Vol. 21, Iss. 2; pg. 455, 23

Adult aggression:

Relations of parenting style to Chinese children's effortful control, ego resilience, and maladjustment
Nancy Eisenberg, Lei Chang, Yue Ma, Xiaorui Huang. Development and Psychopathology. Cambridge: May 2009. Vol. 21, Iss. 2; pg. 455, 23

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Straus, M. A. (2001). Beating the devil out of them: Corporal punishment in American families and its effects on children. Developmental Psychology 5(4), 33-56.

In a study of over 9000 families found:

Link to depression as an adult, (higher for women). Corporal punishment as an adolescent was associated with suicidal ideation. Corporal punishment was found also to be associated with an increased incidences of street crime, sexual malfunction, reduced income, life achievement and increased sibling violence.

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Hyman, I. A. (1995). Corporal punishment, psychological maltreatment, violence, and punitiveness in America: Research, advocacy, and public policy. Applied and Preventive Psychology, 4, 113- 130.

Hyman, I. A., & Perone, D. C. (1998). The other side of school violence: Educator policies and practices that may contribute to student misbehavior. Journal of School Psychology, 36, 7-27.

Found the humiliation that often accompanies the experience of corporal punishment in schools may "reduce a child's ability to problem solve rationally; make a child more aggressive, defiant, and oppositional; and further inhibit a child's ability to solve problems effectively." School age children who experience psychological maltreatment (such a corporal punishment), perform at lower levels (in comparison with other children) in ability, academic achievement, and social competence. In addition children may have feelings of inadequacy and resentment that may eventually lead to anger, hostility, violence, and aggression against social targets (such as school property, authorities and peers).

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Arcus, D (2002). School shooting fatalities and school corporal punishment: A look at the states. Aggressive Behavior, 28, 173-183.

Hyman, I. A. (1995). Corporal punishment, psychological maltreatment, violence, and punitiveness in America: Research, advocacy, and public policy. Applied and Preventive Psychology, 4, 113- 130.

Owen, S. S. (2005). The relationship between social capital and corporal punishment in schools: A theoretical inquiry. Youth & Society, 37, 85-112.

Higher rates of child abuse fatalities occur in states (USA) that still allow corporal punishment in the school system. Student deaths from school shootings are higher where corporal punishment is present. A positive correlation exists between corporal punishment in schools and number of youths awaiting capital punishment in the state judicial system.. Schools with high rates of corporal punishment have higher rates of student behaviour concerns. Research findings also indicate that states with high rates of corporal punishment will tend to have higher rates of violence, aggression, and homicide committed by children.

Negative motivational techniques (corporal punishment), tend to increase student alienation, misconduct and the motivation for revenge. Of importance - its opposite and with substantial research support - systems that reward, praise, and give meaningful interaction with children promotes the development of a positive self-concept - are the some of the strongest compelling motivators for learning in school.

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by RoyLatham 7 years ago
RoyLatham
Pro did not make a case. Wasting an opponents time is bad conduct.
Posted by alto2osu 7 years ago
alto2osu
This is directly born out of a forum thread on the same subject. RS didn't post a RD 1, he just pasted a response from that forum into his instigation. Puck linked to the forum thread. You should check it out if you want a bit more of a giggle.
Posted by Ore_Ele 7 years ago
Ore_Ele
this is funny. I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for RS. Curse my bleeding heart, wait, I don't have one of those. Never mind, I'll just laugh.
Posted by alto2osu 7 years ago
alto2osu
O.M.G. This. is. awesome.
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