Spawn(Any incarnation) vs Goku(Any form yes Gt is good)
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spawn any incarnation is defined starting from pewter spawn up to the present which is jim downing having said that i could use mandarin, gunslinger, medieval, dark ages, skull splitter, etc even god spawn and or mammon spawn and with this statement i can clearly conclude that spawn of any kind can make goku look like A wetrag with a bunch of wax ON
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Ok you choose Supersaiyan even if its non canon I shall accept
GOKU:Since we can never estimate any of there speeds Ill just take 2 estimations of what Goku's speed maybe
Nothing in the anime is good enough evidence to deduce a reasonable conclusion without any plotholes. I would say times faster than sound but way under the speed of light.
Obviously not near light speed because of the Theory of relativity, but excluding that, he doesn't show anything close to light speed. Jutst because he turns up a level in SS doesn't mean he's faster. Go by what he has shown in the manga or show not math that has nothing to back it up.
By physics he cannot although this is discredited by the feats of speed his able to perform. Exhibited in "Broly The Legendary" Instant transmission does not work as the move implies, it in-fact is literal movement over a period of time. In this movie Goku used this moves to another region of the galaxy and there is a travel section. Also in the series, Gotanks a character of who is much slower then Goku travels the distance around the world (24,859.82 miles) many times within 4 sec and light is able to travel around the planet about 9 times per second. If Gotanks a much lesser character is able to travel the planet 1/9 light speed, before the discovery of SS4 in DBGT Goku is highly likely to be able to travel faster than the illogical speed of light
Goku lacks the any feats to support the fact that he can move Faster than light. Instant Transmission is exactly what it sounds like. Instant movement. The manga is the original source, so it defines what Goku does and what feats he has exhibited. The movies are not canon to the story, and therefore do not effect the real DBZ storyline. no Gotenks actually did not travel around the world in 4 seconds. The feat is illogical. In the anime the Earth can be seen rotating at a faster than normal rate, which would imply time is passing by faster. If time is relative to each person, as suggested by physics, then that would mean the Earth shouldn't have rotating at all. IT could also mean a large amount of time passed while Gotenks travelled around the world, but this isn't true, since the fusion only lasts 30 minutes. Goku lacks feats to suggests he is FTL. Instant transmission is what it sound like, Instant movement.
I thereby conclude that Goku at SS4 stage with estimation is have the speed of light or even closer but never reached it without using instant transmission
Goku:(SPEED OF LIGHT)
First off, Goku's Instant Transmission is never actually used in combat. Yes he uses it to throw people off guard in combat but Goku never uses IT in the manner we see Night Crawler use his teleporting in X-Men 2.
He can run away with it and use it to shift a major attack but other than that its not like the ability makes him able to fight at light-speed.
Which brings us to Gotenks(A faster character);
Gotenks travels the distance around the world (24,859.82 miles) half a dozen times in an undetermined amount of time... while light would circle the planet 9 times per second.
Which tells us he is not as fast as light. This is confirmed when Piccolo arrives and talks to Gotenks.
We are told that he has used up most of his time. Infact when Gotenks takes off to find Buu he has just under a minute and when he gets to Buu's house he doesn't even finish calling Buu out when his fusion wears off. If it took approx 54 secs for him to travels a distance less than 20,000km. that would be ~0.12% light speed. Even if it only took him a second to get to Buu's house he is still a 1/15th the speed of light.
For reference Goku was about .002% the speed of light when he traveled acros
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GOKU: AGAIN (SPEED OF LIGHT)
SPAWN:Finding spawns speed is harder to find but here it is
Speed ability:Spawn has the ability to telport meaning he is like goku (SPEED OF LIGHT)
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