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Spiderman would beat Batman in a fight

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Started: 3/22/2014 Category: Entertainment
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velociraptor101

Pro

I think Spider-man would beat Batman in a duel! Why? Cause he has powers! 'Nuff said!
Jabuticaba

Con

Rebuttals

"I think Spider-man would beat Batman in a duel! Why? Cause he has powers! 'Nuff said!"

Power is "The ability or capacity to do something or act in a particular way." [1]Spiderman can shoot webs, but Batman has powers to. For example, he has the power of intelligence as well, as you can see in his invention the Bat mobile, and all of his other gear.



Now for my arguments.

First of all, Batman's main outfit is black. In most cases, as you can see, superheroes fight supervillians during the night. This is because it is easier to rob, and where evil follows, justice does as well. Since Batman and Spiderman are both important roles in their cities, they wouldn't want to show themselves fighting within the public. Because of such, they would fight in a dark area at night, where they can hide themselves.

Anyway, Spiderman is mainly red. Red is a very strong color. "
Red is a bright, warm color that evokes strong emotions." [2] So since it is so strong, and so bright, it is very easy to see in the dark. So are his eye holes, because they are a white that reflects light. Even his webs reflect light, revealing them easily.



Batman on the other hand is mainly black. Since it is dark at night, black obviously blends in. Since he is darker, he has the advantage of the shadows, and darkness, giving him many possible surprise attacks. This is one main reason he has the advantage, and would win in a fight, with his genius ideas, and even his uniform.




So that first reason is the darkness, and that Batman could use it to his advantage.

Here is the second.

Batman has many many weapons that could easily cut spiderman's webs. We all know that spiderman constantly shoots webs in order to move from building to building, kind of like Tarzan with vines. But what happens if the web supporting him breaks? Batman has various weapons like his throwing stars. With these, he could easily counter Spiderman, and cut down his webs, possibly making spiderman crash onto the floor in panic.



So I have already proved that batman would win in a fight, with his superior intellect, various weapons, and advantage in the dark where they would most likely have a battle.

Sources:
1.http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...
2.http://psychology.about.com...
Debate Round No. 1
velociraptor101

Pro

Spidey can bench-press ten tonnes (able to lift the Bat-mobile), run 200 mph, can stick to walls, has an omniscient Spider-sense (which, by the way, would counter Batman's stealth and/or surprise tactics) and possess foreign chemical resistance and a healing factor. Those stats ALONE would be enough to beat the Bat in an alley fight, but don't forget that Spider-man is also a genius: he's a straight A student in science and chemistry, and even designed his own equipment, while in recent years, Batman's equipment has been shown to be created by Lucius Fox. And as for Batman's vast array of gadgetry, well, Spidey's webs at full capacity have been shown to restrain the Hulk, so mere shurikens (throwing stars) and smoke bombs couldn't penetrate them.

I am iffy about the philosophy that Batman can defeat anyone with enough time for strategy, because his opponent can just plan a strategy as well. For example, Bats designs a device to blur out the Spider-sense (which, again, can counter Batman's stealth), so Spider-man would create goggles o spot out Batman in the darkness. Batman may invent a spray to disintegrate Spidey's webs, so he'd just make ice-webbing.

In conclusion, Spider-man would win because of his superior physical stats, equal intellect, Spider-sense and webbing!
Jabuticaba

Con

Rebuttals

"Spidey can bench-press ten tonnes (able to lift the Bat-mobile), run 200 mph, can stick to walls, has an omniscient Spider-sense (which, by the way, would counter Batman's stealth and/or surprise tactics) and possess foreign chemical resistance and a healing factor. Those stats ALONE would be enough to beat the Bat in an alley fight, but don't forget that Spider-man is also a genius: he's a straight A student in science and chemistry, and even designed his own equipment, while in recent years, Batman's equipment has been shown to be created by Lucius Fox. And as for Batman's vast array of gadgetry, well, Spidey's webs at full capacity have been shown to restrain the Hulk, so mere shurikens (throwing stars) and smoke bombs couldn't penetrate them."

First of all, there is no proof supporting any of these statements. Either way, if somehow spiderman had these capabilities, he would still be unable to win the battle. Now let's explain all of these capabilities, and how they are useless. First of all, he can possibly bench-press 10 pounds, however this is only in perfect conditions. If he is not tired, in full health and it is light outside, he is capable of bench-pressing 10 tonnes. However, on average, he can only bench press 2-3 tonnes, which is less that the bat mobile. The bat mobile weighs 4500 lb, or 2 tonnes. So Spiderman would still be able to carry it according to you. [1]

Now let's assume he did lift it in order to stop it, Batman would simply eject at the exact moment that he would lift it. The batmobile is capable of doing such. [video 1]. It would either turn into a motorcycle of some sort, or completly explode as we already see in the video shown. Since it would explode, spiderman would quickly try to do something. In that exact moment, batman would be able to come behind him, hurt him, and possibly stab/injure him with his various weapons and gadgets.

Now the excuse you will make is obviously "Spidey will use his spidery-sense." However this would be useless for the following 2 reasons. First of all, because of such shock of having to stop a huge veichle from exploding, and a man going full speed about to stab you would not give spiderman enough time to escape/dodge/shoot webs. Secondly, spider-sense only works on enemies. Once, the jackal attacked him without his spidey-senses activating. The reason being that their alter egos were close friends. " The Jackal explained it to be due to him always being Peter Parker's (Spider-Man's alter ego) friend, meaning that the spider-sense would not regard him as a threat/enemy." [1] Since Batman is a fellow superhero, even if he is his opponent, his spidey-sense would be unable to sense him, because he is a good person.

Your second excuse would be his healing powers. We all know he can't heal instantly like wolverine, he takes time. He can feel pain. Because of such, when he is to get stabbed, or hurt excessively, he would be weak, and with such a weak easily ripped uniform, in the time he tries to endure his pain, Batman would quickly slash his head off, or find another way of defeating him.

And his webs can be broken. Since Batman's throwing stars are so sharp, along with his strength, and possible other gadjets would break his webs.

So with these capabalities, Batman would still overcome Spiderman, without the need of superpowers.

" am iffy about the philosophy that Batman can defeat anyone with enough time for strategy, because his opponent can just plan a strategy as well. For example, Bats designs a device to blur out the Spider-sense (which, again, can counter Batman's stealth), so Spider-man would create goggles o spot out Batman in the darkness. Batman may invent a spray to disintegrate Spidey's webs, so he'd just make ice-webbing."

If such a battle were to occur, neither would know about it. They would just randomly appear battling, it's not like they would know they were going to fight. However, Batman always plans for all situations, spiderman on the other hand doesn't. He is more of the "cross the bridge when we get there" kind of hero. Because of that, Batman would be prepared, but he wouldn't be. So Batman would have the clear advantage, and spiderman wouldn't bother making "ice webing"

"In conclusion, Spider-man would win because of his superior physical stats, equal intellect, Spider-sense and webbing!"

I have proved these abilities would not aid spiderman in a battle against the dark knight.

Arguments

Batman is a billionaire. We all know he owns a company. He is constantly explanding in both his company, and his gadjets. Because of such, by the time they were to fight, he would have much better weapons, much better batmobiles, probally weighing more than 10 tonnes, and stronger armor. Spiderman on the other hand as we notice would focus on only his superpowers. Batman would have much better weapons, capable of even countering spiderman's capabilities. He would have the clear advantage, because of the dark, his great weapons, and his tactical approaches.

In conclusion, all of spidermans abilities would be countered by Batman. His webs would be broken, his spidey-sense wouldn't work, and his strength would in reality be his downfall. Because of Batman's superiority, and his variety of advantages, it is a clear and obvious answer to whom would win in such an encounter.

Sources:
1.http://en.wikipedia.org...'s_powers_and_equipment
https://www.youtube.com...
Debate Round No. 2
velociraptor101

Pro

First, all the hypothetical instances you insinuated are inaccurate. ("Batman would stab Spider-man . . ."/"Batman would slice his head off . . .") Batman would NEVER do that because everyone knows that Batman never kills! His gadgetry is designed to incapacitate enemies, and therefore aren't lethal. Second, the Spider-sense WOULD work, because it alerts Spidey of threats, and if they were fighting, Batman would be a threat.

Spider-man may not have as many fancy gadgets as Batman, but he has many customized suits, (electro-proof, spider armor) and Tony Stark even made him an Iron Spider armor, which possessed all the capabilities of a suit of Iron-man armor. Granted, he wouldn't have all these suits on him at once, but this brings me back to one of my earlier arguments: if hypothetically, these two were fighting, they would probably know about each other (e.g.: Spider-man hears about the dark vigilante Batman and must stop him. Or, Batman hears about Spider-man, and thinks of him as an enemy.) If this were the case, both WOULD have time to prepare, contradicting one of your earlier arguments.

Batman may plan for many situations, but it's much more than an overnight process: to defeat Superman and the rest of the Justice League, he had to research each of their specific weaknesses. Spider-man on the other hand has no clearly exploitable physical weaknesses, so assuming they fought each other for the first time, Batman would lose, and (assuming he would survive) he would then try to form a strategy to defeat Spidey, but it would be a long, difficult process, and Spider-an would plan as well.

So again, your arguments have been contradicted and Spider-man would win with his super power, intellect, Spider-sense and webbing!
Jabuticaba

Con

Rebuttals

"First, all the hypothetical instances you insinuated are inaccurate. ("Batman would stab Spider-man . . ."/"Batman would slice his head off . . .") Batman would NEVER do that because everyone knows that Batman never kills!"


This is wrong and innacurate, backed up by no proof whatsoever. Batman does kill, in fact, he has killed many times. There is an article I have found, with his 6 most brutal kills. Here is one,

"Later, in Batman No. 15 (1943), a scientist shows Batman a simulation of what will happen if you don't buy enough war bonds and Japan invades Gotham City. At one point Batman acquires a rifle, but obviously his vow against firearms forbids him from shooting anyone with it, even enemy soldiers ... so he just throws it at the wheels of a vehicle instead and kills the Japanese occupants in a bloody crash." [1]

So he would kill spiderman if he needed to.

" Second, the Spider-sense WOULD work, because it alerts Spidey of threats, and if they were fighting, Batman would be a threat."

In the last round, I proved it would not work. When the Jackal and spiderman were fighting, since they were friends spiderman didn't detect him, even though he was a threat. The same would occur for this case. Since Batman is a fellow superhero, who does good, spidey sense would not sense him either.


"Spider-man may not have as many fancy gadgets as Batman, but he has many customized suits, (electro-proof, spider armor) and Tony Stark even made him an Iron Spider armor, which possessed all the capabilities of a suit of Iron-man armor. Granted, he wouldn't have all these suits on him at once, but this brings me back to one of my earlier arguments: if hypothetically, these two were fighting, they would probably know about each other (e.g.: Spider-man hears about the dark vigilante Batman and must stop him. Or, Batman hears about Spider-man, and thinks of him as an enemy.) If this were the case, both WOULD have time to prepare, contradicting one of your earlier arguments."

First of all, spiderman usually goes around in his classic uniform, which is just normal latex, no armor, no nothing. He wouldn't wear something intense like extreme armor for the following reason. If they were to fight, both would have time to prepare, however batman would prepare, and spiderman wouldn't because he thinks he can win, and that they wouldn't actually fight. So hypothetically, since he isn't expecting a big challenge, because he is just stopping crime from robbers in the city, he would wear his normal atire.

Now let's assume hypothetically that both were for some reason stopping easy crime around the city, and a dispute broke out. Spiderman would only be wearing his classic because there is no threat besides the unexpecting Batman. The only reason he would be wearing armor was if there was a huge evil villain around, and if there was, he would ignore batman and fight the villain of course. So he wouldn't have fancy stuff on him, but Batman would, giving batman a clear advantage.

"Batman may plan for many situations, but it's much more than an overnight process: to defeat Superman and the rest of the Justice League, he had to research each of their specific weaknesses. Spider-man on the other hand has no clearly exploitable physical weaknesses, so assuming they fought each other for the first time, Batman would lose, and (assuming he would survive) he would then try to form a strategy to defeat Spidey, but it would be a long, difficult process, and Spider-an would plan as well."

It could possibly be a over night process, considering batman has done such before with villains superior to spiderman. He could easily spot spiderman's small weakness. And those are good enough for batman to defeat him.

So in conclusion, Batman would easily win against spiderman with his genius plans, his advantage in the enviornnement, and his various gadgets aiding him. Spiderman would be a good challenge, but it is obvious who would come out on top.

Dear voters, please do not vote on who you think would win, but who convinced you more. Also vote properly, and consider grammar and sources, something my opponent did not have. Thank you, and have a nice day.

Sources:
1.http://www.cracked.com...


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