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Starwars: A new hope VS Starwars: Empire Strikes Back

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Started: 11/5/2015 Category: Movies
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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ryanbriggs04

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I think Empire Strikes Back is waaay better!
Sdames

Pro

A new hope is the way better movie for a number of reasons. 1. The star wars trilogy could be contained just within this one movie. The others movies (Which are good I grant you) need a new hope. 2. It introduces the concept to cinema of "dirty sic-fi" or not streamlined and beautiful sic-fi. The shots of tatooine are fantastic and the whole movie has a wonderful ark. " It is not a moon" It is a space station!"
Debate Round No. 1
ryanbriggs04

Con

We can begin to see the structural problems of the first film by trying to identify the protagonist and antagonist.

For the protagonist, there's no clear answer and there are varying cases to be made for Luke, Han and Obi-Wan. (Leia's total lack of growth/change unfortunately rules her right out.)

As for the antagonist at first blush it's clearly Darth Vader, but this presents further problems as he only really ever encounters Obi-Wan in what is effectively a sub-plot of the 2nd act (and senses Luke through the Force during the trench run). You could make a case for Tarkin, I suppose, or the more abstract "The Empire", but the waters start to get pretty muddy at that point.


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First of the protagonist is clearly luke skywalker for a number of reasons. 1. There is a true character arc and a real development in the storyline. The only other argument for a main character would be Han Solo. He has a small be relevant story arc. In a new hope, It sets the base for what star wars movies are like and creates a whole new genre. A new hope sets a standard for modern science fiction and a new standard for directors and actors. A new hope (besides for Jaws and planet of the apes) created the Idea of a summer blockbuster. "These aren't the droids you're looking for."
Debate Round No. 2
ryanbriggs04

Con

Empire suffers no such problems. Luke is clearly the protagonist -- he changes from Rebel Commander and fighter pilot into an almost-but-not-quite Jedi Knight (and loses his hand). He and Vader know about each other and circle each other through most of the movie (in fact, Vader's desire to capture Luke is what drives the entire story forward).

(This is not to say that simply having a protagonist/antagonist dyad makes a movie "good", but that some of the pacing issues of the first film can be glimpsed through this exercise. Not having a clear sense of who the protagonist is can lead to wasted time spent explaining things -- if we know who the protagonist is and what they want, there's no need for "telling" -- we can get on with the "showing"
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