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Angloforniagonian
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State police should replace local police departments

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Started: 8/8/2013 Category: Economics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Angloforniagonian

Pro

Local police departments are inefficient. Except in large municipalities, they tend to drain local tax revenues (say when politicians splurge on public safety investment during their campaigns as a means to be "tough on crime" like in the wasteful and not-so-effective war on drugs).

State troopers have the financial backing of state tax revenues and don't just ride off the backs of possibly more financially pressed county and city tax payers. Their security priorities are higher than prosecuting citizens for minor infractions and they don't exactly have to worry about hitting the limits of their jurisdiction within a twenty mile radius...

Another problem with local police departments is that while an affluent community may overindulge in funding quasi-paramilitary SWAT teams to be dispatched to a case of domestic violence, say, an economically depressed town nearby may only have one officer on patrol to respond to such a call -- and not quickly -- due to a police department that is undercut by a lack of sufficient investment locally (and perhaps from the state).

Ultimately, if individual communities reported on their crime statistics to the state and were reciprocally granted an appropriate amount of centrally taxed (state) funds for their local police branch, neighboring cities' police branches would all be fellow employees of the state. They would all be obliged to exchange information and confer with other branches, and they could freely move throughout the state with equal jurisdiction. More importantly, an equalized division of resources would make it more likely that the law itself would be enforced more equally.
donald.keller

Con

I accept this debate.

Local police departments are inefficient.

Not a lot of Efficiency is really needed in small Municipalities. Anything too big for the efficiency of a Local Police department gets handled by the County Police. Although, City Police will likely be more efficient than an over-stretch Police Department handling all crimes in a state, especially large states with small populations.

The US also has the highest Police Efficiency in the world (by opinion survey,) at 89%.(5) It's efficiency is also seen in the extremely low 33 : 1000 crime rate.

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like in the wasteful and not-so-effective war on drugs

Red Herring Fallacy.
Irrelevant and even unwarranted.
Even Argumentum ad passiones

State troopers have the financial backing of state tax revenues and don't just ride off the backs of possibly more financially pressed county and city tax payers.

The cost of the State picking up all Police activity would be highly expensive. The Police Department would either be overly stretched to work properly, or cost too much for the State.

How much would it cost to transfer all police activity to the state? As of the year 2007, $116,500 per sworn officer and $260 per resident.(1) This would cost New York State at least $5.08 Billion for residents only, and $4.19 Billion for New York City Police alone.(2,3) A massive increase from the State's $0.7 billion budget.(4)

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Even with all taxes moved from City to State, the efficiency per dollar would be greatly reduced and over stretched. This would keep the towns and countys stressed, possible more so.

Their security priorities are higher than prosecuting citizens for minor infractions and they don't exactly have to worry about hitting the limits of their jurisdiction within a twenty mile radius...

67% of all City Police are required to wear protective clothing as of 2007. If the number rises at the same rate year after year, it'd be around 79% as of 2013.(1)

...an economically depressed town nearby may only have one officer on patrol to respond to such a call

A town who can not take up it's own police force is either put under the county police or the police force of a neighbor city. An example being Olympian Village, Mo, who is policed with the De Soto Police Department, and Byrne's Mill, MO, who uses the County Police.

City Police will often work together much like their Fire Departments. For large issues that are far too big for a town, you may see the police force of 2 or 3 cities. This system is efficient.

Ultimately, if individual communities reported on their crime statistics to the state and were reciprocally granted an appropriate amount of centrally taxed (state) funds for their local police branch...

With an extremely low crime rate, the US is doing above average in the field of policing. As I said prior, all cities already work together.

However, with your idea, a Police Officer would have to learn every state law and the laws of every town and municipality, lest the efficiency of each cop is drastically reduced.

You mentioned small town cops punishing people for minor infractions... That's efficiency. When police have enough time on their hands to deal with the small stuff that still need being done. When you can get away with driving above the speed limit because the police are too busy, that's not efficient. Remember that every law, even small ones, must be dealt with.

I figured it's worth mentioning that the more policing power you give to the State, the more like a police state you create. The current system keeps the state out of every town's problems, which increases efficiency and the privacy of each town. The general consensus is to keep State and Federal government out of each town as much as possible for efficiency and preservative of personal freedom and local involvement.

I'm now pass it on to Pro. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 1
Angloforniagonian

Pro

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donald.keller

Con

Arguments extended.
Debate Round No. 2
Angloforniagonian

Pro

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donald.keller

Con

So much waiting...
Debate Round No. 3
Angloforniagonian

Pro

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donald.keller

Con

Vote for Donnie!
Debate Round No. 4
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Vote Placed by thett3 3 years ago
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