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Stop and Frisk (NYC)

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Started: 3/10/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Johnjjohn

Pro

Is stop, ask, and frisk (NYC) a violation of the 4th Amendment (unreasonable search and arrest)?
Jevinigh

Con



The very premise of Stop and frisk is based on a concept of utilizing statistical data to target likely criminal elements in a society. In other words, people who frankly "appear like they might be criminally involved" and or part of a "criminal culture". Which despite overt racial tones- it should be hard to dispute that a Criminal culture does indeed exist. As officer Richard Valdemar wrote in his piece 'criminal culture' which presents several axioms of such a culture. (article can be found here: http://alturl.com... ). Opposition to stop and frisk is essentially saying that our law officers should have the ability to use their discretion to stop and search suspicious people on the streets. Police officers need a degree of latitude to do their job and the laws on the books should not be geared to make that harder on them.

Profiling mind you is not just about race, but it is undeniably and sadly factored in. Profiling is also about the kind of clothes worn, speech mannerisms, music and more. If a reasonable person would look at some one and say to them selves 'what a punk' than why should cops not have the ability to stop such a suspicious person? Some one wearing obvious gang symbols- Why should Police not have the ability to stop some one who makes their affiliation with criminals so open?

Stop and frisk is a tool in the belts of Police forces seeking to prevent crimes. potenially catching criminals before a crime can be enacted by intercepting illegal weapons or substances.
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Posted by Johnjjohn 3 years ago
Johnjjohn
AMENDMENT IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Posted by Johnjjohn 3 years ago
Johnjjohn
"The New York City Police Department"s policy of stopping and frisking thousands of people, mainly young black and Hispanic men, has come under increased attack. A federal judge in Manhattan granted class action status to a lawsuit over the practice and said she had troubling questions about its constitutionality, especially because in many cases there is no evidence of crime or cause for suspicion." I lived in NYC all my live and many of the police officers are corrupt in many ways. First of all the police have no right to stop, search, and ask for your id if they they are not suspected of committing a crime. The police are just find any little little excuses to fill up their quota logs.
Posted by Jevinigh 3 years ago
Jevinigh
Just because I doubt you will find anyone who genuinely believes that stop and frisk is a bad idea, I will take on this debate for debates sake. Let it be known though, that I am playing devil's advocate.
Posted by Johnjjohn 3 years ago
Johnjjohn
Where I stand on this is the stop and frisk is against the 4th Amendments. The reason why is because here in NYC the police thinks it okay to stop someone for no reason and just search them. The police also think to seem that only the African American and Latino groups are the only ones that are up to no good and have something illegal on them.
Posted by curreylo 3 years ago
curreylo
Im confused where you stand on this subject.
Posted by Hematite12 3 years ago
Hematite12
No, searching based on race is totally reasonable.

/sarcasm
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Vote Placed by Zarroette 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro never presented an argument, rather, he only asked a question. Con presented an argument by answering that question, thus wins the debate.
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