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Strengthening US Immigration Regulations

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Started: 5/6/2014 Category: Politics
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1) "Education for the children of illegal immigrants constitutes the single largest cost to taxpayers, at an annual price tag of nearly $52 billion." While the average college student debt is around $29,400 for borrowers in the class of 2012. That money could be used to fund college students who are citizens of the United States. (

2) If we don't enforce illegal immigration or strengthen current regulations, it will inevitable make it easier for terrorists to come into the United States undetected.

Conclusion- We should strength immigration regulations for illegal immigrants.


1) The children of illegal immigrant that actually want to learn to improve their skills, english and education cost us $52 billion and yet the children of our own legal citizens that choose to drop out come in at a $154 billion price tag which would have benefitted our economy as well.

2) One could argue that your second premise commits a straw man fallacy unless your view is that all illegal immigrants are terrorists. Instead of opening the borders to terrorists, reforming our immigration laws would not only save us billions of dollars in deportation costs but also would keep our economy stable and keep immigrant families together.

3) Our country has a great economic need for the labor that illegal immigrants provide. They work through long hours, low wages and dangerous conditions that legal citizens would not even think of trying.

Conclusion- We should not strengthen immigration regulations for illegal immigrants.
Debate Round No. 1


1) Whatever the costs may be, it is invalid because those citizens are here legally. "The National Academy of Sciences has estimated that the average immigrant without a high-school degree will, over the course of his or her lifetime, impose a net cost -- above and beyond any taxes he or she pays -- of nearly $100,000 on U.S. taxpayers; this cost does not include the cost of educating the immigrant"s children"

2) One can also argue your source is an appeal to illegitimate authority.
Let me restate my argument - if we have an open immigration policy, it can open the door for terrorists to come through without a background check. If we do not regulate and remove illegal immigrants there is a possibility it can happen. If they know they can come and won't be deported for overstaying their visa or just coming in without going through immigration, they will be inclined to do so and come in. If we allow them to stay we are rewarding them for committing an illegal act which is simply unfair.

3) If a person in the United States is trying to support their families, do you really believe that they will limit their possible job opportunities and they won't even "think of trying" if they have to bring in an income? As they age, they will have very limited skills, there is not much they can do once they hit an age where they will become a liability for employers. Also, our economic need is plummeting because we are importing poverty. The percent of Immigrants and their family in poverty is almost double to those who are native born. They are actually taking jobs from Americans rather than supporting our economic need.

4) ". According to the Center for Immigration Studies, in 2002 illegal-alien households imposed, in aggregate, costs exceeding $26 billion on the federal government while they paid $16 billion in federal taxes -- thereby creating a net fiscal deficit of $10.4 billion per year at the federal level"


Then the numbers that you had previously stated about the cost of sending illegal immigrant children to school are invalid too and your first premise is gone. While we can, technically, stop illegal immigrants from coming into the United States, it is virtually impossible to prevent high school children to drop out. We might as well support those that are actually motivated enough to pursue larger goals in their lives.

If we lower the regulations to become an American citizen then the "issue" of illegal immigrants will be done with. By making something illegal we are essentially spreading the word that it can be done no matter what laws we put in place. If others have done it then it can be done. Deporting illegal immigrants is doing us no good. Instead it is costing us money and time that could instead be invested into other issues.
"It"s not the immigrants, but the taxes, spending and entitlements (most of which immigrants don"t even receive) that have drained the economy dry."

My original statement meant that they are working in conditions that others wouldn't want to work in. Poverty in America is at an all time high and it is most definitely not due to the thousands of men and women that are working two to three jobs to support their families on the bare minimum that employers are offering. It it also these same men and women paying Social Security taxes that makes up for most Americans who are collecting unemployment checks as an easy way out.
Debate Round No. 2


I am not sure as to why my premise would be invalid. We are talking about legality of citizens. Because public schools cannot turn down illegal immigrants, I'm sure there are illegal immigrants who have dropped out, along with natural-born as well. There is still the issue of kids in college debt.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make in your second premise. You, in more words or less, stated that we should lower the regulations on people becoming american citizens, should we change what the law on murder so we won't have to worry about the issue of murder anymore? Or lower the regulations on sexual harassment so that we can rid of that issue to? Crime is crime, no matter how big and how small and there are no victim-less crimes.

If we deport illegal immigrants we are deporting poverty. If they are trying to come here to pursue larger goals in life how can they do that with very limited skills and education? If they came here legally, they could receive government aid such as medicare and medicaid to assist them in making their lives better for themselves and their family. However, that is not the case. They also are obtaining fake documents such as social security cards to work. So, not only are they committing the crime of coming into the United States but they are also committing identity theft. They can also use there to illegally receive government aid. While they may be working 2 or 3 jobs, they're are not actually making a sufficient amount of money to be over the poverty line. If they are making the "bare minium", as you say they are. How much could that possibly be? Being in poverty means they are more likely to commit crimes. "In some areas of the country, up to 12 % of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens."

Not only that, 28 percent of the foreign-born workers over 25 haven't completed high school. Which means that the possibly of moving up on the ladder of success is very very little. There's barely any jobs you can get without a high school diploma, even less that a college degree where you can make enough money to support a family. If we take the number of median wage workers who are foreign born (not only illegal) is $511 a week that comes out to $24,528 a year. (Assuming that is gross), For a family of 4, the poverty line is about $23,850 for a family of four. Assuming since those who were foreign born are here legally, those who are here illegally is substantially less.

It is also selfish. If you bring your children to the united states illegally and you end p being deported, who is going to take care of your children? Themselves? Seems highly unplausible. It has happened before. Parents were deported back to their home countries, leaving their children behind back in America. Here's an example.

In conclusion, we should regulate immigration of illegal immigrants in the United States, not only because it hurts our economy, it is a crime, punishable by law, just as any other crime is. It would make their lives easier to come into the United States legally and work for their living legally. If they are here legally, they can receive government aid. It is selfish to possibly leave your children behind. They are not as innocent of other crimes either, such as theft and murder and burglary because living in poverty there is a higher change you will commit a crime.


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