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Pmaynard94
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Joebreezii
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Substantially increasing social services for persons living in poverty in the United States.

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Started: 5/8/2014 Category: People
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Pmaynard94

Pro

P1: Since 2008, the number of people living in or near the poverty line has been staggering, which leaves millions of people vulnerable to many diseases. (www.nfhs.org/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2906)

P2: The programs that are out now (TANF, CRS, SCHIP) have provided assistance for families and continue to do so, but it seems it has done little affect to provide assistance for families and other individuals in need. The programs have helped but raising minimum wage, expanding earned income tax credit and child tax credit would help significantly.

Conclusion: The United States federal government should substantially increase social services for persons living in poverty in the United States.
Joebreezii

Con

P1: The reason for people living near the poverty line in 2008 was because of the recession that occurred. That was 6 years ago and now we have recovered exponentially. With a unemployment rate that sank from its all time high in 2009 of 10% to 6.3%. The has been substantial growth in jobs as well. http://online.wsj.com...

P2: You are correct that TANF, CRS, and SCHIP, etc are not providing enough assistance for families and individuals in need because social programs have little or no effect. Raising the minimum wage, expanding earned income tax credit, and child tax credit are not social programs. They are economic and tax policies.

P3: Increasing social services can create dependency on the government and stop people from bettering themselves. http://www.cnn.com...

C: The United States federal government should not increase social services for persons living in poverty in the United States.
Debate Round No. 1
Pmaynard94

Pro

P1: Not expanding social services to decline poverty would of course hurt many people, but it would hurt the children more than anything. According to UNICEF, "22,000 children die each day due to poverty, and preventable diseases such as diarrhea and pneumonia kill nearly 2 million children a year,"(https://www.dosomething.org...). A 2011 study showed that 4.5% of U.S deaths were attributed to poverty, (http://www.mailman.columbia.edu...). Poverty has become an increasing problem not just in the world, but now the country.

P2: Increasing the minimum wage and income tax credit are not social programs, but they are ways that poverty can be alleviated for a short period of time. People on or near the poverty line struggle at minimum wage jobs and struggle in general to make ends meet. 80% of the world population has lived on $10 a day. Programs like SNAP, TANF, CRS, and SCHIP have done little, but they help provide for people who have transportation problems (i.e. not having a car), those who can't get a quality education, and those who have poor health care resources look to those forms of financial support to keep their daily lives stable.

Conclusion: The United States federal government should substantially increase social services for persons living in poverty in the United States.
Joebreezii

Con

P1: The UNICEF article has no relevance to the topic because we are talking about poverty and not on a global scale.
The study also showed there were other factors that causes the death of children. 4.5% is rather small percentage and not enough to put the burden on millions of Americans who find a way to succeed.
P2: Programs like SNAP, TANF, CRS, and SCHIP do what they have to do to provide assistance and its up to the individual to go out and do more with their life. Like I said before. expanding with create social dependency.
P3: We need to get away from social programs and start creating economic and education solutions. And creating more jobs and infrastructure. People working helps fuel the economy and not people sitting and just collecting a check. http://hamptonroads.com...
P4: We just can not expand social programs without making sure Americans on these programs are doing more to help themselves. The economy cant handle inefficiency because we are In a deficit and have a 17trillion dollar debt. http://money.cnn.com...
Conclusion: The United States federal government should not substantially increase social services for persons living in poverty in the United States.
Debate Round No. 2
Pmaynard94

Pro

P1: Even though we are talking about living in poverty in the United States, it cannot be ignored that poverty is a huge issue on a global scale as well. If poverty affects people in the United States, it should be mentioned, even if it is for a short note, that it affects others in the world as well.

P2: You say living in poverty and leaning for help towards the financial assistance programs like SNAP and TANF would create social dependency, but in what way? I see these programs only getting better as years progress not just through housing assistance, but also providing for the children to get to school, through public transportation, and providing them with an equal educational opportunity.

P3: It can be argued that the government has "blocked" all these social services, transportation needs, health care services, housing services, and educational services to those struggling in poverty. NYC taxis rarely go to poor neighborhoods and transportation services are vital for the poor, as many of them do not have a car. Parents living in poverty have turned to informal schooling for their children because private schools cannot be afforded and health care services have been limited due to many obligations and expenses it takes to become a doctor, which makes it difficult for those living in poor neighborhoods to get the services that are needed, (http://economicthinking.org...).

Conclusion: By considering these premises, the United States federal government should substantially increase social services for persons living in poverty in the United States.
Joebreezii

Con

P1. Again its still not relevant because we are talking about the US not global. Yes it is a little but not enough to put the burden on those who managed to do well for themselves.
P2. Well if you read the article posted preciously you would know the answer to that question. If you are given money there is no point to seek for a job because the government is providing for you.
P3.Public schools wouldn't be considered informal schooling. Public schools are great. The poor are not on those that have master degrees but those who have no education and/or job skills.

Conclusion: By considering these premises, the United States federal government should not substantially increase social services for persons living in poverty in the United States.
Debate Round No. 3
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