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Farida_20101060
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Success in life means money

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Started: 8/21/2012 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Jeff.B

Pro

When we try to answer this question, we must not talk about how things should be, but how they really are. Yes, earning money is the only way to become successful nowadays. This is not how it should be, but that's how it is unfortunately. In Cambridge dictionary, successful is defined as: "having achieved a lot, become popular and made a lot of money".
Farida_20101060

Con

Earning money is not, and never has been, the only way to be successful. The greatest success in life is achieved by overcoming obstacles, facing fears and dealing with difficulties. Each small achievement in personal development should be seen as a step towards success.

Personal success is gained by meeting challenges and overriding the hardships of life, so anyone who is disadvantaged can become a success. Poverty and debt can successfully be overcome without acquiring great wealth. Earning money is a necessity, but it is not the only way to success
Debate Round No. 1
Jeff.B

Pro

It is unquestionable that there have been many popular people that did not have enough money. They have achieved a lot but they have no fortune. Are these people successful? According to the definition, they are not successful. Being successful is about achieving a lot, becoming popular and having a lot of money.

How much do we know about people who have achieved a lot yet they do not have any money? How much do we know about people who have a lot of money and yet they have not achieved as much as those popular-but-poor people? Our knowledge of both categories is incomparable.
Farida_20101060

Con

Success is often associated with celebrity. Celebrities do earn a lot of money, but notoriety and being famous for the wrong reason should never be equated with success.

When the goal is to become a millionaire, in building a career, starting in business or entering a profession, then success will depend on how much money is earned, but many people do not have that ambition to be immensely rich. Most people gain satisfaction from experiencing success when reaching career goals, by being innovative in business or from recognition of excellence in carrying out professional duties.
Debate Round No. 2
Jeff.B

Pro

Jeff.B forfeited this round.
Farida_20101060

Con

* Professional success
People enter a profession for reasons other than the money they might earn from their career. People want to be successful in a career when they love the type of work they do, even though they might earn no more than average pay.
* Sporting success
Being successful in sport is not about earning money. People do not always earn a lot of money from their sporting achievement, but success in competitive sports does lead to personal triumph and public glory.
* Parenting success
Successful parenting involves years of childcare, a lot time and much effort, in addition to the amount of money that needs to be spent on the children. Even when they have little money to spare, successful parents know when they have given their children the best start in life.
Debate Round No. 3
Jeff.B

Pro

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Farida_20101060

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by benjamaison 5 years ago
benjamaison
I'm with elysian on this one. Pro is taking a very general concept, success, and applying it to a specific definition set forth by capitalist idealogy. Pro needs to narrow the parameters of this debate or face giving con a near unloseable scenario. Look to societies where money is nonexistant, like certain pacific islands, or where the idealogy doesn't revolve around personal gain. In communist nations, success relies on the common man bending to help their country move forward. Seeking social advancement and increased earnings is looked down on and is said to have to lost his way
Posted by elysian85 5 years ago
elysian85
Interesting that the opening rules of engagement require that the "ought-is" not be applied, while Pro in the next sentence expresses this sentiment outright.

Nor has Pro or Con clarified which culture the asserted topic shall be used for drawing evidence and/or context.

I side with Con until these parameters come to light.
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