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Suicide Is Objectively Wrong

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Started: 12/17/2012 Category: Philosophy
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My resolution: Suicide is not objectively wrong.


Please no trolling or semantics.


suicide- the act or an instance of taking one's own life voluntarily and intentionally especially by a person of years of discretion and of sound mind.

is- present 3d singular of be.

objectively- dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations.

wrong- something wrong, immoral, or unethical; especially: principles, practices, or conduct contrary to justice, goodness, equity, or law.

Round Structure-
1. Acceptance
2. Neg. Will present case. Aff. will attempt to negate Neg.'s arguments. Aff. will present his/her case.
3. Neg. will defend R2 arguments. Neg. will attempt to negate Aff.'s arguments. Aff. will deconstruct Neg.'s defenses. Aff. will defend his/her arguments.
4. Neg. will deconstruct Aff.'s deconstructions. Neg. will deconstruct Aff.'s defenses. Neg. will come to supposed conclusion. Aff. will attempt to negate Neg.'s counter-deconstructions. Aff. will defend his original arguments once more. Conclusion will be stated by Aff.

The BOP will be shared.


I accept. Looking forward to the debate!
Debate Round No. 1



Contention 1- Idealism

Everyone has the right to take their own life. A person's most unassailable title is their own life and person. In an allegory, ending one's life, when subject to great suffering is comparable to awakening from a terrible nightmare, and as it passes redemption follows. Most suicides are acts of will, it is a way of denying life's pains which a person may be subjected to. Moral freedom, which is the most profound fulfillment of ethicality is only obtained by denying one's will to live, suicide allows a person to fullfill this will. When a person fulfills this will with the ultimate sacrafice of suicide, you are redeemed from life's pain, pleasures, and desires that you were otherwise subjected to, when this freedom was idol. When one destroys their own existence, will to live has not been destroyed, on the contrary, he would otherwise keep his life if it was satisfactory to him, he may be able to assert his power to free will, but it's will to live vs. power of circumstances, and when the circumstances become too great, the will to live is not prevalent, and is removed under one's own freedoms and choices.

Contention 2- Liberalism

Under the philosophical prescriptions of Liberalism, it is asserted that a person's life belongs to them and that no other person should force their own ideals onto someone else, in other words, the idea that life must be lived. The individual that controls said body has decisions they can make on how they want to live that life, and whatever decisions they make should be respected, as long as they don't apprehend anybody elses will, and of course suicide does not do that. Under the principles of self-ownership, people who have control over their can do what they please with it, and right to life and right to death are the most basic of all these prescriptions. Another reason that suicide is not wrong per se would be that objectively meaningless life, or life that has no purpose is why one must kill oneself, to escape from sheer agony of pain they may be objected to, suicide is like being released from prison. A liberation one might say. When one prescribes objectively meaningless life, the person in question who is wanting be liberated is able to give meaning to life, in other words, meaning of life is subjective, not objective.

Contention 3- Subjective Morality

3a. Optional Subjective Morality-

Morality is subjective; meaning that personal choice determines ones standards and moral ideas, as opposed to objective morality, which presupposes universal moral ideas that morality is objective and everyone must follow them.

Subjective morality is optional, everyone decides what they consider moral, they set objectives and standards. Things that set standards for people is situational adaptation, or the ability to adapt to a situation, for example:

A person who considers homosexuality immoral may become good friends with a homosexual, get to know them and realize the immorality they drew from this is groundless, after being exposed, "prima facie" and seeing both sides of things.

Another thing that may influence a child's moral standards can be, "Upbringing", for example:

A child is raised in the Christian faith and is raised to think homosexuality is immoral, now of course the child doesn't object because they look up to the people that advocate this idea, "their parents", and any moral objection or standard is grounded in to them as "pure logic" until they are able to see both sides of things, and can conform their own sense of morality.

3b. Subjective Morality and Conditions-

All morality is situational as suggested in my about co-contention, as is the decision to be moral subjective morality (situational) suggests that every moral standard, action, or presupposition is based on objective morals one takes or prior events, each situation is based on conditional conclusions. Meaning the decision to even have morals is subjective in itself. For example:

A person decides they have a moral obligation to perform an action such as performing a good deed or kill one person to save ten; in both of these situation lie two objectives that you can follow;

a) Accept or reject the moral ideal.
b) Perform the action to follow up on your presupposed ideal.


In contention one, I used the idealist argument that set ground for the morality of suicide.
In contention two I put forth the liberalist argument that establish the "self-ownership" argument.
In contention I put forth the subjectiveness that entails from setting moral standards.

Expressed Conclusions;

Suicide is a moral freedom that everyone is able to exercise and under circumastances of "objectively meaningless life" is morally and subjectively right and appropriate. (Contention 1)

Suicide is an application of self ownership and the violation of self ownership by an outside party is "objectively wrong" (Contention 2)

Subjective morality under conditional and optional logic refutes the objectiveness under presupposed standards. (Contention 3a and 3b)

All of the expressed premises make suicide;

A moral freedom

Protected by self-ownership

All morality is subjective therefore one cannot presuppose "wrong" onto any premise that is conditional.

Thank you.



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Debate Round No. 2


Extend my arguments.


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Debate Round No. 3


I got COD: Black Ops II for Christmas! :D


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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Nur-Ab-Sal 5 years ago
I'm pretty sure self-ownership is more commonly tied to libertarianism.
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