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sweetpie12
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MasterKage
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Superman, Spiderman, Batman - superheros or misleading idols?

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MasterKage
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/11/2011 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 11,783 times Debate No: 19803
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sweetpie12

Pro

First round will be for acceptance, while the last four will be arguments. The time to argue is 72 hours, while the argument max is 8,000.
The format will be as such:
Resolution: Superman, Spiderman, Batman - superheros or misleading idols?
Contention 1:
Evidence and Body

Contention 2, etc

When providing evidence, please cite sources and leave links at the bottom of the paragraph so that I know which link is for which statistic or piece of evidence.

Seeing as the site does not allow for a random selection of sides, I choose pro- that they really are super heros. I hope for a challenge soon and that my terms are best-suited to both debating parties.

Again, the first round is for agreement to terms.
MasterKage

Con

I accept, and agree to the terms presented above, as well as wishing my opponent good luck.
Debate Round No. 1
sweetpie12

Pro

Superheros, like Superman, Spiderman, and Batman, are not misleading idols. Although, they do not exist, they show the importance of helping people. A man once said, quote, "I think it is great to believe in them, besides that's where half of our childhood memories are- dressing up in spider man costumes, concentrating on objects trying to make them fly. As well as harry potter movies - he's a hero too. Taking away our superheros is taking away half of our childhood!" (unquote) I agree with this. Someone also said, "I believe they are. Super heros are constant reminders of right doing and justice.....great human traits that few have! In a more realistic point of view.....a good role model is someone that leads by example. Don't just tell them the right way.....show them the right way. Someone that will see them as people, too.....with real concerns.....and not "just kids." Someone willing to step down to their level and just have a conversation with them. " Unquote.
Those are just some examples why super heros are great role models.
MasterKage

Con




I thank my opponent for their intriguing response.

I will state each of my contentions as each of the "superheroes" names.

Superman, Spiderman, Batman - superheroes or misleading idols?

Contention 1: Superman

First I will give a brief description of Superman and his abilities.

This will be from the DC Universe Wikia.[1]

Superman, also known as the Man of Steel,
is one of the most powerful superheroes in the DC Universe.
His abilities include incredible super-strength, super-speed, invulnerability, freezing breath, flight, and heat-vision.

Society does not want a hero who is invulnerable, this essentially is going into perfection.
Society greatly does everything to prevent the rule of perfection.
Having an idol who is perfection breaks apart all society is trying to accomplish.

Contention 2: Spiderman

This will be from the Marvel Database.[2]

I will also briefly give a description of Spiderman and his abilities.

Peter Parker was bitten by a radioactive spider in high school, and the spider bite caused him to develop abilities powers similar to that of a spider. He was soon able to crawl up walls and sense imminent danger, and eventually even developed his own method of creating webs to swing from.

Always the underdog, Peter is routinely out-manned and out-gunned, but still manages to throw in wise-cracks between punches, and usually comes out on top in the end.

This is essentially saying Spiderman is always the underdog, yet society tends not to focus on the "underdog", but the average member of society.

Contention 3: Batman

This will be from the DC Universe Wikia.[3]

I will briefly give a description of Batman and his abilities.

Batman is the superhero protector of Gotham City, a man dressed like a bat who fights against evil and strikes terror into the hearts of criminals everywhere. In his secret identity he is Bruce Wayne, billionaire industrialist and notorious playboy. Although he has no superhuman powers, he is one of the world's smartest men and greatest fighters. His physical prowess and technical ingenuity make him an incredibly dangerous opponent.

Batman as no problem with killing his enemies.
Society does not accept Batman as an acceptable idol, because there is no consequences that come from his unmoral killing.

I will now refute each of my opponents points.

My opponents arguments will be in bold and itaclilized
Like so.

they show the importance of helping people.

Batman kills criminals to "uphold the law" yet these have no repurrisons repercussions for his actions.


"I think it is great to believe in them, besides that's where half of our childhood memories are- dressing up in spider man costumes, concentrating on objects trying to make them fly.

So from my above contentions, your stating that these "heroes" are good memories, yet I have stated how each of them are "misleading idols" in my above contentions.

"I believe they are. Super heros are constant reminders of right doing and justice.....great human traits that few have!

Batman murders criminals, this is clearly not doing right and upholding justice, thus this is false.


In a more realistic point of view.....a good role model is someone that leads by example. Don't just tell them the right way.....show them the right way

So your saying the fans of each of these so called heroes should repeat each of their behavior.
This is clearly not the case.
1) Superman is perfect. Society does not agree with perfectionism.
2) Spiderman is the underdog. Society focuses on the average member of society than the "underdog".
3) Batman kills criminals. Society does not condone murder.

Someone that will see them as people, too.....with real concerns.....and not "just kids."
" Someone willing to step down to their level and just have a conversation with them. "

I don't see how this is relevant to the resolution.


I have stated my arguments and refuated each of your arguments.
I am done for now.

References
[1] http://dc.wikia.com...
[2] http://marvel.wikia.com...
[3] http://dc.wikia.com...(Bruce_Wayne)
Debate Round No. 2
sweetpie12

Pro

I also would like thank my opponent for their intriguing response.

I will now refute each of my opponents points. My opponent said that (quote) "Society does not want a hero who is invulnerable, this essentially is going into perfection.Society greatly does everything to prevent the rule of perfection.
Having an idol who is perfection breaks apart all society is trying to accomplish." (unquote) He said this not realizing that society could mean several things and that superheros like Superman were created for children. Children do not care if he perfect, they just want the bad guy to be defeated. My opponent also superman is perfect, however nobody is perfect.
My opponent also said that that society does not focus on an underdog but the "normal" people of society. However, its those "underdogs" who can stand out and show the kindness and the compassion and care about the people who are in need, that really stand out. Even though Peter was bitten and he was probably shy , its the fact that he decided to use his powers for good instead of evil.
My opponent also mentioned Batman. He said that Batman has no problems killing his enemy. However, he failed to mention that Batman decided to become batman because of his parents death. He did not want people to go though what he had gone though. Batman never killed an enemy.Never! And because he does not kill his enemy he deserves no consequences. What I want to know is where he got the information on Batman kill ing people... where is that info?

I am done for now.
MasterKage

Con

I thank my opponent for her response.

I will now refute my opponents arguments towards my refutations.

Once again, my opponents refutations will be in bold.

He said this not realizing that society could mean several things and that superhero's like Superman were created for children. Children do not care if he perfect, they just want the bad guy to be defeated. My opponent also superman is perfect, however nobody is perfect.

One of Superman's ablilties is being invulnerable.
Invulnerable is defined as incapable of being wounded, injured, or harmed.
This clearly shows Superman can not be harmed, injured, or harmed.
This makes him invulnerable.


However, its those "underdogs" who can stand out and show the kindness and the compassion and care about the people who are in need, that really stand out. Even though Peter was bitten and he was probably shy , its the fact that he decided to use his powers for good instead of evil.

Not all "underdogs" are unrealistically show kindness or compassion.
Goths are normally considered the "underdog", yet the majority hardly show acts of kindness or compassion.

He said that Batman has no problems killing his enemy. However, he failed to mention that Batman decided to become batman because of his parents death. He did not want people to go though what he had gone though. Batman never killed an enemy.Never! And because he does not kill his enemy he deserves no consequences. What I want to know is where he got the information on Batman kill ing people... where is that info?

Batman has always been a darker "hero" than most.
As to where I got my information from: http://en.wikipedia.org... (Early Years)

"The first Batman story, "The Case of the Chemical Syndicate," was published in Detective Comics #27 (May 1939). Finger said, "Batman was originally written in the style of the pulps,"[19] and this influence was evident with Batman showing little remorse over killing or maiming criminals."

I have refuted each of my opponents points.
Debate Round No. 3
sweetpie12

Pro

sweetpie12 forfeited this round.
MasterKage

Con

Unfortunately my opponent forfeited this round.

Extend all arguments and refutations.

I will give a brief summary of the debate thus far.

Round One

Pro: Stated the rules, resolution, and formatting of the debate.

Con: Accepted and agreed to the terms and rules of the debate.

Round Two

Pro: Stated her argument for the resolution.

Con: Stated his arguments against the resolution and attempted to refute Pro's points.

Round Three

Pro: Attempted to refute Con's points

Con: Addressed each of Pro's refutations against my arguments.

Round Four

Pro: Forfeited the round

Con: Extended all arguments and refutations and gave a brief summary of the debate.
Debate Round No. 4
sweetpie12

Pro

sweetpie12 forfeited this round.
MasterKage

Con

I was assuming this would happened, sigh, just like with Chase Reynolds.

Vote Con!
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by MasterKage 5 years ago
MasterKage
Yeah, I bet Reid and Sweetpie haven't read the comics.
Posted by Maikuru 5 years ago
Maikuru
Spoiler: Batman used to kill left and right with a smile on his face. He shot and presumably killed Darkseid not long ago.
Posted by Reid 5 years ago
Reid
Batman doesn't kill people wtf...
Posted by Maikuru 5 years ago
Maikuru
Damn, I wish I saw this.
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