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Superman or Goku?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/29/2010 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Sekou

Pro

Do you think Goku or Superman would win. Obviously superman would win but I was just wondering if someone says otherwise.
Loserboi

Con

Goku vs Superman? Obviously Goku would win because Goku as a normal Saiyan already possess the powers superman has like super strength, super speed, super recovery, the power to shoot energy blasts and this is all at his normal state. Goku can excel to an even higher level of superhuman by going into super saiyan mode which drastically improves all of the qualities about by noticeable amount. Goku after excelling to super saiyan mode also possesses the power to excel again 3 more levels past that to an even greater superhuman as the highest he has been revealed to reach was super saiyan 4. So basically Goku's max power is basically 4x greater than superman because at his normal stage he and superman are probably already equal. Goku having the ability to basically quadruple his already superhuman abilities puts superman at a disadvantage in a fight. Superman does not possess any edge over Goku.

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Debate Round No. 1
Sekou

Pro

Well think about this. Superman can move faster at the speed of light! Goku takes several minutes just to fly around his own planet. Superman is way stronger than Goku. Superman can lift and destroy planets and Goku didn't become a planet destroyer till way later in Dbz.also superman has an extreme advantage in terms of intellect ,by the time goku were to make a move superman would have most likely anticipated it.also goku would try fight fair while superman would just be trying to fight.
Loserboi

Con

Goku has the power in instant transmission which allows him to teleport himself to anywhere in the universe in a matter of seconds so speed is not an issue here. Superman is not way stronger than Goku, Goku has deflected energy blasts the size of planets in his days fighting Buu , Friza and Cell and it dosen't matter when Goku became a planet destroyer the fact of the matter is he has the capabilities of doing it. Superman having more intellect is not true, Goku has had more than hundreds of years worth of training because he has trained in heaven and the hyperbolic time chamber which makes time really short and Goku has fought opponents way more difficult than Superman' main enemy Lex Luther. Goku like i said already, as a normal saiyan already possesses abilities that surpass a normal human with super strength, super speed, and recovery the fact that Goku can excel past his already super human saiyan body into super saiyan 4 mode which increases his powers exponentially makes his powers far greater than supermans.

Clip 1 goku shoots a giant spirit bomb
Clip 2 Goku instantly transport a giant cell away from earth
Debate Round No. 2
Sekou

Pro

The fact that Goku can throw blasts that big doesn't even matter because it takes a while for them to charge up.Superman would have already been able to avoid them. Also just because he trained in the Hyperbolic time chamber and Heaven does not mean that he has trained for a hundred years,to the fact that he was most likely training physical strengths instead of mental. Goku has been in the Time chamber a few times most known in the Cell Saga,In which he went in for a couple of hrs which is not even a year. Superman can only be hurt by Kryptonite I doubt Goku would even know what that is much less know were to find it which would definitely be a problem for Goku.Let me also say that Superman has extreme senses,Superman is able to mentally screen out most of these sounds to be able to function normally, even in a noisy environment, and can focus in on specific things, like a person's voice or heartbeat, even if they are in another part of the city, therefore by the time Goku were to teleport Superman could have turned to fight him.That goes back to my point that Superman would be able to anticipate Goku's moves. Superman Is nowhere close to human AT ALL how do you compare a man that can once again TOSS PLANETS to a mere human. Superman has faced opponents way Stronger than Lex and he is still somewhat of a match even when he uses Kryptonite on him. Beside the point hat it takes a while for Goku to charge up to get to SS4, think about what happens when his energy is all out? Also Superman can also get stronger, closer he gets to the Sun the more powerful he becomes. So he is virtually Immortal.

video:Shows Superman getting Strength from the sun.
Loserboi

Con

Goku needs to charge for his most powerful moves but he can still rapidly fire Ki from his hands. Superman relies a lot on hand to hand combat making good use of his strength and his only other attack is probably heat beam vision which i doubt can even scratch Goku. Goku has endured bigger hit in his days than superman. The fight would most likely come down to a hand to hand combat battle between the two and since Goku actually has real fighting technique (Goku is master of martial arts) Goku has the edge. Goku has incredible senses too he has the ability to sense the life and energy of everyone on earth and he can feel when there is a strong force coming or even a weak one. So Goku can always sense where Superman is and if Superman tried to attack, Goku would already know where the attack is coming from because superman is just a huge ball of energy. Goku has deflected giant balls of energy and can block sword attacks with his finger, Goku will not even be scratched by supermans attacks. Goku does not have a known weakness at all. Goku has shown in the series that he can instantly ascend to his higher levels without doing all that nonsense screaming so the charge up is not an issue. Goku cannot be beaten by superman, a fighter who has no real standout abilities that can kill Goku. Goku has everything superman has but he has more power and more attacks that can do critical damage. Superman most of the time just abuses that super strength of his. Super Strength will not work on Goku you cannot kill Goku with hand to hand combat when he is just as strong maybe even stronger when reaching his highest level.

Video Clip 1 all the screaming was to buy time for trunks to find the dragonballs
Debate Round No. 3
Sekou

Pro

Sekou forfeited this round.
Loserboi

Con

My opponent has forfeited the last round. My points remain the same but i do want to refute my opponent saying Goku has not trained for at least a hundred years. Goku is over 100 years old in the series as it is, he already has a great great great grandson in Goku Jr. Goku more experience and has more power than Superman. Over that long course of training he can level up without charging up. He has done it with his super saiyan 1-3 modes.

Goku is still REALLY young when he meets goku jr
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Loserboi 4 years ago
Loserboi
Batman would pay them both to lose to him
Posted by tvellalott 4 years ago
tvellalott
This would be a good fight. But Batman would come in and beat both of them.
Posted by Avisax 4 years ago
Avisax
Depending which Superman is chosen (as there are many different Supermans), Superman has the extreme advantage over Goku.
Some Supermen can simply orbit around Earth and go through time. Others can throw planets. A certain Superman must be chosen.
As seen in this picture, Superboy Prime(Infinite Crisis) punches through a dimension:
http://en.wikipedia.org...
Although this is a different subject altogether, it is notable as Superboy-Prime is just a Superman in a alternate dimension.
Posted by Korashk 4 years ago
Korashk
Also, I would say that going Super Saiyan increases power exponentially, not algebraically.
Posted by Korashk 4 years ago
Korashk
Everyone with a brain knows that Goku would win.
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Reasons for voting decision: speed just to say superman is not invincible and got his butt wooped by doomsday batman and luther and there weaker then goku so case closed goku knows over many martail arts skills and has deflected and survived strong atk.superman only punches and cares about fist. If goku is not faster then the speed of light how he can dodge piccolos specail beam atk and if raditz could he could also. Goku was able to lift up 2 tons when child times that by supermans stregth. oh exactly Superman needed the help of people to mive planents. Goku has took down people whos power level who are over 1'000000'000000000'000 what did super man kill villans with no powers. he is not invincible. and death battle is wrong the sun cant take down goku.
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeit. Also, I'll point out that Goku could instant transmission Superman to a solar system that doesn't have a yellow sun, which would rob Superman of his powers.
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