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THBT democratc countries should establish schools exclusively for LGBT

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Started: 11/8/2014 Category: Education
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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S_putri

Pro

because in the fact that Education is important enough for the LGBT's bright future as they improve their education, so we need to support and establish the school for LGBT.
we need to provide a comfortable situation for LGBT because the average of LGBT students are usually got sexual abuses and usually homeless. we can provide the a professional conceleour in the LGBT school and quarintines them so they can study and doing ret usually arsearch without any hestition due to their past problem.
if we put the LGBT people in a public school, the can't freely speak up because if they do it they will get somehow discrimination from their friends.
and also we have to support a positive idea that LGBT people want to have a brighter future as they want to go to a formal learning center without any bullying cases.
blackkid

Con

I propose this is untrue on four points:

1. Segregation will only further ostracize these people. For those who are vehemently against homosexuality having a gathering of a large group of them such as at a school will only be rounding them up for the abuse this is supposed to prevent. Even non-violent protesting will be disruptive to the coordination of these institutions. While the idea is novel and has optimistic implications within the reality of the world it is likely less than effective.

2. Separation will only further distance society from acceptance. For many people who are adamantly behind LGBTQ rights a great portion of them are genuinely friends with these people. To that end while harassment exists in the "outer world" I would propose that so does acceptance and that acceptance only comes from integration; when there is a distinct separation based on sexuality between persons involved there is no opportunity to build bridges and ensure the future of these persons as being accepted members of society considering there's no contact with them within school walls.

3. Stunting of growth will only occur. A person who is hidden away from the world is not the same as a person who is set aside and given a specific type of training. With that in mind "LGBTQ only" schools are the former and unhealthy because there is no individual growth for dealing with the real world; it is sheltering of the highest order just as with any form of sheltering and therefore is unhealthy and unwise. It is not to say that there should not be any Safe Spaces (http://safespace.glsen.org...) but instead that the Ivory Tower isolation is just unhealthy for all humans in general without good cause.

4. Sadness may be rampant. Since many LGBTQ persons come out when young, about teenage years to early adulthood, and require much support (http://www.psy.miami.edu...) so keeping them altogether may have a negative impact of instilling fear of leaving and putting them out into "The World" which as far as they can tell hates them by-and-large.
Debate Round No. 1
S_putri

Pro

I would like to rebut the opposite arguments

1. we don't agree that segregation will only further ostracize these people, because when the LGBT student go to the Public School the segregation is already occur even in the significant amount. Students in California report significant harassment based on actual or perceived sexual orientation from California Healthy Kids Survey 2012 that every year over 200.000 students are harassed because they're LGBT . evidence suggests that a supportive school environment with clear anti-LGBT bullying laws and supportive educators reduces bullying. Further, in states in which there are clear LGBT anti-discrimination and anti-hate crime laws, LGBT people display lower levels of psychiatric disorders than do LGBT people in states without such protection.

2. we don't agree that separation will only further distance society from acceptance because, many MBA programs support their LGBT student population through a support group. these groups provide possibility of networking and career development opportunities on their campuses (reachingoutmba.org) , that's mean there are so much opportunity for LGBT student after graduating from their school to continue to the university of LGBT and get MBA title . and these programs also help them to pursue their careers and pursue their talents so they have the same skill as the non-LGBT people have in common.

3. we don't agree that LGBT student is hidden away from the world and is not the same as a person who is set aside and given a specific type of training. Harvey milk school is one of the LGBT school that provide professional counselors to consult their students about their household or their sexual orientation problem. LGBT school provides professional teacher that could help student find and evolve their talents and skills. Harvey milk school also taught the common lesson that the public school taught so there is no reason that the LGBT school is 'hiding student away from the world' like a prison or isolated place.

4. Most of LGBT students are homeless youth , and typically experienced severe family conflict as the primary reason for their homelessness, LGBT youth are twice as likely to experience sexual abuse before the age of 12.
they are also at higher risk for victimization, mental health problems, and unsafe sexual practices.
58.7% of LGBT homeless youth have been sexually victimized compared to 33.4% of heterosexual homeless youth. and
LGBT homeless youth commit suicide at higher rates (62%) that's mean , LGBT student are suffering from their environment even before they walk out the the wider range of world. we provide school exclusively for LGBT so they could get back their self esteem and their evidence, get more comfortable situation to pursue their career and avoid another bullying cases or abuses.

we also bring another argument ,
- Students identifying as lesbian, gay, bisexual or trans gender are at increased risk for absenteeism and a lower grade point average due to harassment and safety concerns in school, according to the 2009 National School Climate Survey. That's why, we need to encourage them to increase their grade point on the exclusive school.
blackkid

Con

I would like to propose that you are actually supporting my sector indirectly and unintentionally through your observations:

1. "Further, in states in which there are clear LGBT anti-discrimination and anti-hate crime laws, LGBT people display lower levels of psychiatric disorders than do LGBT people in states without such protection.", so why is this not the norm? Or rather is there evidence that suggests that this is less effective than your proposition? It solves both problems if it is effective as it allows integration and it grants protection to the citizenry. The value of a separate school place really should be in direct confrontation to the idea that enforcement in general can and does end up being effective. It would be best if we could look at the data you are attempting to cite to ensure the solution you propose is sound, if you would not mind.

2. " we don't agree that separation will only further distance society from acceptance because, many MBA programs support their LGBT student population through a support group. these groups provide possibility of networking and career development opportunities on their campuses (reachingoutmba.org) , that's mean there are so much opportunity for LGBT student after graduating from their school to continue to the university of LGBT and get MBA title .", as I had previously shown with Safe Place programs this is implemented throughout the school system and is effectively in place (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com...) in various forms (http://www.apa.org...) so while you are absolutely right there's no reason for this to begin sooner than college or acquiring an MBA and in truth it already has.

3. "Harvey milk school also taught the common lesson that the public school taught so there is no reason that the LGBT school is 'hiding student away from the world' like a prison or isolated place.", this I admit is more a matter of opinion but to state that you are equivalent to those who were mixed in with other students is unlikely. Like going to any exclusive school whether it be a military academy, STEM program, art school, or boarding school there are simply differences that are had when one graduates (http://www.dailymail.co.uk...) whether for good or ill. While you acquire the same knowledge and skills for certain there's no reason to believe that you are not in some form or fashion sheltered from the reality of intermingling with the general populace. Again this goes for any type of school including those I did not mention such as religious schools where there is some form of segregation based on some trait.

4. "Most of LGBT students are homeless youth , and typically experienced severe family conflict as the primary reason for their homelessness, LGBT youth are twice as likely to experience sexual abuse before the age of 12.", This needs a citation. I say it for two reasons, first there's statistical variance; for instance because homosexuals tend to make up lower segments of any given population the statistical weight of any given person is far greater no different than other statistics relating to minorities and second:

"Despite the gains made for gay rights in recent years, homeless LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) youth have benefited little. Instead, their numbers on the streets have swelled, representing up to an estimated 40 percent of the nation"s young adult homeless population, data shows."

(http://www.nbcnews.com...)

40% of homeless youth are LBGTQ so unless "most" of this 40% constitutes most of the LGBTQ living in America (which is possible, no doubt) I'm not convinced that this is true. I completely agree with the notion that there are indeed greater mental, physical, sexual, and emotional dangers for these individuals but again looking at the numbers if 58.7% of a smaller slice of a group has been victimized compared to 33.4% of a larger group there's a higher likelihood that it's the norm regardless of sexuality (because there are many more people victimized as heterosexuals in raw volume) instead of being based entirely on sexuality. That isn't to say that it doesn't play a part, it does, and I understand that, but the normal outcome of living on the streets for youth seems to be steadier relative to the matter though again I would love to look at the information and sources.

"we provide school exclusively for LGBT so they could get back their self esteem and their evidence, get more comfortable situation to pursue their career and avoid another bullying cases or abuses.", I'm unsure how this connects to the homelessness. Is this a boarding school or maintain some form of program for those who are homeless? I went to the website for Harvey Milk and it looks like it's an application type school so I am unsure if there's a way that this really applies to these victims though again I am unsure because that is an answer you've not provided.

5. "Students identifying as lesbian, gay, bisexual or trans gender are at increased risk for absenteeism and a lower grade point average due to harassment and safety concerns in school, according to the 2009 National School Climate Survey. ", to which I answer, (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com...) showing that this information is true but also vastly improved and is rapidly improving but I do want to admit that in 2013, compared to 2011, (http://www.glsen.org...) there was a drop despite there being more legislation created and a greater amount of GSA groups being implemented in school attendance by about 10% for zero absenteeism. However I want t also point out that verbal harassment has dropped.

I want to conclude on this point by noting that change is occurring. Segregation does not bring change or awareness and the current generation is far more willing to accept and embrace than the previous and that is continuing with about 80% of young adults supporting gay marriage (http://www.gallup.com...). That does not occur because you build up a castle as a safe place and hid people away from the world below.

I've only one question though that would be the deciding factor: How much better do the students do at Harvey Milk than at other schools?
Debate Round No. 2
S_putri

Pro

S_putri forfeited this round.
blackkid

Con

I wish them well. Twas a good mental exercise.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
I am all for it. They should be quarantined.
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