THW ban boxing
Voting Style: | Open | Point System: | 7 Point | ||
Started: | 7/11/2016 | Category: | Sports | ||
Updated: | 1 year ago | Status: | Post Voting Period | ||
Viewed: | 736 times | Debate No: | 93591 |
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I thank fire_wing for accepting my debate. I know his power in debating, and so I look forward to a great debate. I thank my opponent for making this debate, and I hope it is a good learning experience for both of us. I will mostly be using the default font and Times New Roman. Unlike my opponent, I will not be making my arguments as a section, just as paragraphs. I assume that my opponent will agree with me that boxing is a violent sport. I will be talking that we should not ban violent sports, and boxing. I will be using the phrase, "My team" some times, as I mostly wrote these arguments in a team debate in another account. Now, let's get started with the debate. First of all, to my first point, boxing, and other violent sports bring lot's of entertainment. In this source [1], the top ten are the following, football, ice hockey, basketball, soccer, Baseball, gymnastics, tennis, volleyball, lacrosse, and golf. This is just in the U.S., though. It is funny to see that 6-7 of the sports on the list are violent, and dangerous. I will be expanding this point later on in my argument, but this argument was about that violent sports can be entertaining. And, with this source I have shown tha violent sports are more entertaining then other normal sports. Boxing is a violent sport, and is entertaining. We shouldn't ban it. Also, in this source [2], it shows that the 10 greatest sports. Boxing is in number 9. If you look at the comments they say, "Boxing should be on the top..." And in golf, it says, "This is really a sport, but..." Look at the differences of a boring non-violent sport, and boxing, which is a violent sport. What if we ban boxing? All the fans will be mad, and probably do some stuff. Look at what happened when France lost against Portugal in the UEFA. ![]() This is just when they lost [3]. Imagine what will happen if the whole sport will be gone? All these fans will be bazooked!!! They will throw things like this, and make tons of fire. We can call in World War Boxing. To actually prevent this, we should not ban boxing. More people As in this argument I have shown that boxing and violent sports are very entertaining to watch, and that we shouldn't ban boxing, and shown what could happen, and probably would happen. Because of entertainment, vote for Con. My next argument will be that the boxers liberty, and the people who watch's liberty. This will be kinda connected with the first argument. Why do the boxers do boxing. Well, there are lot's of reasons. Yeah, they earn lots of money, get famous, can possibly win, it can be entertaining, and it can entertain the viewers. If the game is boring for the viewers, then it will be infamous, and the sport will not be watched. So we need to entertain the viewers. And as I said in my first argument, boxing is exciting for the viewers. Let's think if we ban this. As I said, there will be rages, as the picture up there, only worse. And all the viewers cannot watch boxing anymore. It is literally banning soccer, just a different sport. Socrates says, "Even a bad law is a law." The same thing with sports. Even a bad sport is a sport. However boxing isn't a bad sport, just less famous then soccer, but still famous. Think about the people's, the watcher's liberty of watching. They want to watch, they should be allowed to watch. Why should thre government even ban boxing when it does no harm for them? Banning it will harm the watcher's liberty. They want to watch these sports, and we should give them the right to, they should watch it, and the government shouldn't make it banned just because of "safety". That is ridiculous. And also, why do boxers do boxing? Becuase they want to do boxing? Then why do they do boxing? By doing boxing, that means they accept all the risks to actually do boxing. They want to do boxing, that is why they are doing it. They don't really care if they get hurt, because it is part of their job. They know they might get hurt, because they are boxers, and they know their job. They want to be boxers, that is why they are boxers, and we shouldn't really ban boxing because they get hurt. They know they might get hurt, and by playing, they accept all the risks. Therefore, we shouldn't ban boxing because it can hurt them. My last argument is really a basic question... What is a violent sport? Boxing is a violent sport [4], and my opponent would agree. There are many sources to see that boxing is violent [5]. So, boxing is a violent sport, and it says that violent sports are fun, but what are violent sports. They involve killing, probably. This is the problem. Think about every sport which is not dangerous. There is only few which one is golf. Baseball is dangerous because you can get hit by the ball or get tripped and fall or bump to each other. Soccer is dangerous because the ball can hit you and you might foul and the others might get hurt. Basketball is dangerous too. This is like almost everything is dangerous. Then this means we cannot play those sports million of people around the world like. My source [6]. My source gives a big list of kills, you can click into each one. |
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Thank you. Worthy opponent, we are going to have a slight change in the strategy. In this round, please rebut my arguments mentioned in the second round. In the fourth round, please have defense and conclusions. Thank you again. I don't know why my arguments in the second round are written as a whole argument in one line. Please copy it, paste it in MS Word, and then read it. Some of my rebuttals will be very short, but if I explained every one, we could make an essay out of it. I'll do that as I have more than 3 debates going on, all with arguments due. I ask my opponent to forgive me for that. I also ask voters, if my opponent does not mind that, to do the same. My strategy in rebuttal: ("Argument" -Rebuttal) Rebuttal: 1. "First of all, to my first point, boxing, and other violent sports bring lot's of entertainment." -CON. -Legalize duels then! 2. "In this source, the top ten are the following, football, ice hockey, basketball, soccer, Baseball, gymnastics, tennis, volleyball, lacrosse, and golf. This is just in the U.S., though. It is funny to see that 6-7 of the sports on the list are violent, and dangerous. I will be expanding this point later on in my argument, but this argument was about that violent sports can be entertaining. And, with this source I have shown tha violent sports are more entertaining then other normal sports." -CON. - NONE of them are violent. I will be expanding this point later on in my rebuttal. 3. " Also, in this source, it shows that the 10 greatest sports. Boxing is in number 9. If you look at the comments they say, "Boxing should be on the top..." And in golf, it says, "This is really a sport, but..." Look at the differences of a boring non-violent sport, and boxing, which is a violent sport. "-CON. - Two things. Firstly, I agree boxing is entertaining. Very entertaining. But at the same time, very dangerous, too. You will be at fault if you ban any sport just because it is not entertaining. Ban boxing because it's DANGEROUS. 4. "What if we ban boxing? All the fans will be mad, and probably do some stuff. Look at what happened when France lost against Portugal in the UEFA. This is just when they lost. Imagine what will happen if the whole sport will be gone? All these fans will be bazooked!!! They will throw things like this, and make tons of fire. We can call in World War Boxing. To actually prevent this, we should not ban boxing."-CON. - What if fans suddenly began loving duels, armed duels, leave them? Just because if you ban duels they'll become violent? So you musn't see what the public wants in everything. Public wants to legalize terrorism, suicide, etc. leave them? So democracy is in matters you can actually change or keep as it is, without danger. Not in dangerous SPORTS like boxing. 5. "My next argument will be that the boxers liberty, and the people who watch's liberty. This will be kinda connected with the first argument. Why do the boxers do boxing. Well, there are lot's of reasons. Yeah, they earn lots of money, get famous, can possibly win, it can be entertaining, and it can entertain the viewers. If the game is boring for the viewers, then it will be infamous, and the sport will not be watched. So we need to entertain the viewers. And as I said in my first argument, boxing is exciting for the viewers. Let's think if we ban this. As I said, there will be rages, as the picture up there, only worse. And all the viewers cannot watch boxing anymore. It is literally banning soccer, just a different sport. Socrates says, "Even a bad law is a law." The same thing with sports. Even a bad sport is a sport. However boxing isn't a bad sport, just less famous then soccer, but still famous. Think about the people's, the watcher's liberty of watching. They want to watch, they should be allowed to watch. Why should thre government even ban boxing when it does no harm for them? Banning it will harm the watcher's liberty. They want to watch these sports, and we should give them the right to, they should watch it, and the government shouldn't make it banned just because of "safety". That is ridiculous. "-CON. - I don't know why my opponent is just debating about whether boxing is good or not. His arguments are full of red herrings[1]. WORTHY OPPONENT, THIS DEBATE IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER BOXING IS GOOD OR NOT. FAMOUS OR NOT. ENTERTAINING OR NOT. If a sort is good, famous, and entertaining, and at the same time DANGEROUS, BAN IT! Boxing is EXACTLY like duels in this debate. As for the liberty thing, then legalize suicide. Legalize duels. LIBERTY! 6. "And also, why do boxers do boxing? Becuase they want to do boxing? Then why do they do boxing? By doing boxing, that means they accept all the risks to actually do boxing. They want to do boxing, that is why they are doing it. They don't really care if they get hurt, because it is part of their job. They know they might get hurt, because they are boxers, and they know their job. They want to be boxers, that is why they are boxers, and we shouldn't really ban boxing because they get hurt. They know they might get hurt, and by playing, they accept all the risks. Therefore, we shouldn't ban boxing because it can hurt them. "-CON. - Legalize suicide. 7. "This is the problem. Think about every sport which is not dangerous. There is only few which one is golf. Baseball is dangerous because you can get hit by the ball or get tripped and fall or bump to each other. Soccer is dangerous because the ball can hit you and you might foul and the others might get hurt. Basketball is dangerous too. This is like almost everything is dangerous. Then this means we cannot play those sports million of people around the world like. My source . My source gives a big list of kills, you can click into each one. " -CON. - 1. Ban walking in the street and eating sugar. 2. Violent doesn't mean everything that hurts or kills. Violent means sports that actually goal to killing or hurting. A boxer's goal is to knock out his opponent. Violent. Whatever happens including injuries or deaths in other sports isn't intended. In boxing, it is. 8. " a) ban all violent sports, which is on my 5th source list, and other sports not on the list, like broken fingers when volleyball, etc. Then all these fans, on every single sport will be mad. There will be a war, only worse, much worser then the picture above. Or b) we can not ban all sports, and make the fans in peace. Obviously peace is better than a fight, so we have to follow b), and not ban any of these violent sports."-CON. - I've already showed that other sports like volleyball and basketball aren't violenrt as injuries and deaths aren't intended. On the other hand, injuring is intended in boxing. By this, I've already cancelled the two choices, as only boxing from these sports is violent. In conclusion, I've rebutted all of my opponent's arguments. NO DEFENCE IN THIS ROUND PLEASE. I know my language is very bad in this debate. I'm not getting right words. Sorry. Please don't mind that, as I have many debates. Adil, Qatar. Sources: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org... I thank my opponent for his/her rebuttals, and I will post my rebuttals, and not my defense. My opponent's arguments are divided into four parts, I will rebut them turn by turn. 1. Boxing is a barbaric sport My opponent says that Boxing is very violent, and it should not be a sport, and should not be in the 21st century in modern society. My opponent doesn't say how this is barbaric. And, we should ban it because it is barabaric anyways. People enjoy it, and they want to do boxing, and they know it is barbaric. Did anyone "force" them? No. My opponent provides no source that it is barbaric at all. My opponent doesn't say why boxing should be banned from the 21st century, and how it is should be banned because it is barbaric. My opponent just asserts that because it is violent, it has no place for modern society. My opponent doesn't say why. It is in modern society, as there is boxing. Then do all violent things need to be banned? No!!! Then everything which involved violence needs to be banned. Almost all sports need to be banned, some talking needs to be banned, cars need to be banned, and every single thing that occurs violence needs to be banned!!! So, no, we should not ban boxing just because it is violent. Also, when I go into my opponent's first source, which will probably be important, it gives the homepage of the website, not the actual thing about boxing, so the source is actually very irrelevant, and can't be used as a source. 2. Role Models My opponent says that children should not get these boxers as role models and not idolize people who injure others. This argument has zero connection to the debate, as yeah, they are not role models, but just because they are not role models, should boxing be banned? Then you should be banned, as there aren't any role models of you. Same logic, so boxing should be banned just becuase these people aren't role models. This arugment has no connection to the debate, therefore it is automatically refuted. 3. Deaths My opponent says that boxing causes many deaths. First of all, there are deaths of almost anything. Trees should be banned, as trees might fall and kill us. Cars should be banned as there are many deaths from car accidents. Lightning should be banned because it kills some people. Knifes should be banned. Almost anything involves killing. Banana peels should be banned, as you can slip and fall, and break your head, and die. Just because there are deaths, that doesn't mean we should ban it. We need to ban the whole world, and almost everything then. My opponent doesn't show how many deaths there are in boxing, but it can't be as much as guns or smoking. Ban them first. They have more deaths. Boxing has less deaths. Why ban boxing and not guns? There is absolutely no reason. Secondly, the boxers want to do this. They know the injuries that can happen. They die, it is part of their job. They get injured, they know they get injured because they are boxers. They know it can happen in their job, and they still do it. We shouldn't ban it because thing happen in their job. This is immoral. So we shouldn't ban boxing. 4. Their training My opponent says in his first paragraph that boxers need to train a lot, and waste precious time. My opponent doesn't link how this says we should ban boxing. They have to train, we have to practice and train for almost anything, there is almost nothing we can do without practicing and training. I don't know how this training shows why boxing should be banned. My opponent's next statement says that 80% of the boxers don't want their children to be boxers. This is a bare assertion. My opponent might be talking about a book, but it is imposible to actually refute the book, as I don't even have it. And, there can be reasons. They don't want their children to be harmed, but there are other people who want to do boxing, the boxers don't maybe want their children to do it, but how should that make it banned? Next, my opponent says that boxers are money-making devices for their promoters. My opponent provides a quote, but no source. If you click a source, only the main page comes out. I can't see how that is a proper source. And, still this doesn't make us ban boxing. People want to do it. Conclusion All my opponent's arugments were bare assertions. His sources were all books, which I don't even think will be in the book, sources which I click go into the main page, nothing about boxing. My opponent's arguments all state something, but doesn't say why boxing should be banned because of this, making his arguments all wrong, as there is no impact. An argument needs a claim, a warrant, and an impact. My opponent has a claim, but lacks warrants and impacts, therefore his arguments fall. Becuase his arguments fall, vote for Con. Don't buy Pro's arguments, as they have no impact to "why" boxing should be banned. Thanks. |
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My strategy in defense: ("Rebuttal" -Defense) Defense: 1. " My opponent doesn't say how this is barbaric." -CON. - I said in round 1 : "they intentionally inflict injuries upon others for public entertainment" Not barbaric? So I do say it is barbaric, and yet my opponent says I didn't say how it is! 2. "People enjoy it, and they want to do boxing, and they know it is barbaric. Did anyone "force" them? No." -CON. - People are drinking drugs. Did anybody force them. No. Then leave them? People are killing others. Did anyone force them? No. Leave them? Don't they too have their liberty? You would say, but they are harming others. What about the drugs? If somebody drinks drugs IN HIS HOME, why is it illegal? 3. "My opponent provides no source that it is barbaric at all." -CON. - I don't to give a link for everything I write. If you mean how or why it is barbaric, refer defense argument 1. ^ 4. "My opponent doesn't say why boxing should be banned from the 21st century" -CON. - Simple. Because it is barbaric. I already said that. 5. "Then do all violent things need to be banned? No!!! Then everything which involved violence needs to be banned. Almost all sports need to be banned, some talking needs to be banned, cars need to be banned, and every single thing that occurs violence needs to be banned" -CON - Seems like my opponent doesn't know the meaning of violence. Violence IS always intended. When it's not intended, it's NOT violence. So, yes, all forms of violence should be banned. Refer source [3]. 6. "My opponent says that children should not get these boxers as role models and not idolize people who injure others. This argument has zero connection to the debate, as yeah, they are not role models, but just because they are not role models, should boxing be banned? Then you should be banned, as there aren't any role models of you. Same logic, so boxing should be banned just because these people aren't role models. This arugment has no connection to the debate, therefore it is automatically refuted." -CON. - I never said that boxers aren't role models. Everybody is a role models. I said boxers aren't good role models, as the main thing making them a role model is their dangerous and barbaric job, boxing. I f you're job is bad too, you too aren't a good role model. Same for me! The sentence "Then you should be banned, as there aren't any role models of you" would not be understood even by Shakespeare. It's not English. 7. "My opponent says that boxing causes many deaths. First of all, there are deaths of almost anything. Trees should be banned, as trees might fall and kill us. Cars should be banned as there are many deaths from car accidents. Lightning should be banned because it kills some people. Knifes should be banned. Almost anything involves killing. Banana peels should be banned, as you can slip and fall, and break your head, and die. Just because there are deaths, that doesn't mean we should ban it. We need to ban the whole world, and almost everything then. My opponent doesn't show how many deaths there are in boxing, but it can't be as much as guns or smoking. Ban them first. They have more deaths. Boxing has less deaths. Why ban boxing and not guns? There is absolutely no reason." -CON. - Now I'm sure you don't know what violence means, and can't differenciate between intended killed and not intended killing, or between something which GOAL is killing or injuring and something in which it happens occasionally. Knifes have benefits and dangers. Same for guns. As for banana peals, pranks with it SHOULD be banned. Throwing it in streets should be banned. Similarly, knifes and guns in the street should be banned. 8. "Next, my opponent says that boxers are money-making devices for their promoters. My opponent provides a quote, but no source. If you click a source, only the main page comes out. I can't see how that is a proper source. And, still this doesn't make us ban boxing. People want to do it." -CON. - SOURCES DON'T MEAN INTERNET LINKS ONLY. Sources are sources. Refer source [4]. 9. "His sources were all books, which I don't even think will be in the book" . -CON. - Predictions with evidence can be wrong. Predications WITHOUT evidence are mostly wrong. You're predicting makes no difference in this debate. Just a red herring. In conclusion, I have given strong arguments, had strong rebuttal, and defended against all of my opponent's vague rebuttal. I thank my opponent for this debate. Adil, Qatar. Sources: [1] https://www.newscientist.com... I'll make my defense and my conclusion in this round. Defense I thank my opponent for his response, now I will be posting my defense in this round also. My opponent copies my argument and just states a few sentences, he says, "Legalize duels then!" In Texas, duels are legal [1]. Also, we should legalize duels. My opponent's rebuttal is wrong. My opponent then says that baseball, and those sports are not violent. He says he will expand the point later on. My opponent says that then we need to ban so many things, and violent does not mean death. My opponent doesn't have any explanation or sources. I explained that violent basically means harmful, and killing is harmful, killing is violent. My opponent gives no source, and my opponent doesn't even rebut why those sports are not violent, when I showed they were. And american football, bump and bash into each other's heads. So not violent. Well, first of all, that will not happen with duels, as some places it is legal, and it won't be illegal, and some places they banned it, and it already happened. Sure, it might happen, but I don't see the problem with this. I showed the boxing example, but a duel example isn't that good. My opponent concedes it is entertaining. What? Then you have to vote for me because that was literally one whole argument, and 10 paragraphs of waste!!! Yeah, boxing is dangerous, so? Just because it is dangerous, do we ban it? Do we ban every single thing which is dangerous? That can't happen. My argument isn't about if it is fun, or good. Yeah, I mentioned that. It all has to do with the topic. The topic is that boxing should be banned. I am Con. Boxing shouldn't be banned. I am saying that boxing shouldn't be banned. Why? Because it is entertaining, fun, that is WHY I ACTUALLY MAKE THESE ARGUMENTS, AND THEY ARE NO RED HERRINGS, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC. My opponent says we should legalize suicide by liberty. Suicide is legal, and yeah, it should be legal, as they want to die, why should we not let them die? And, legalize duels. My opponent uses in the next paragraph, "Legalize duels, and legalize suicide." Yeah, we should legalize them. And boxing too. My opponent says that boxing is the only violent sport, and he showed proof. This is shocking, as I showed my opponent had no proof, merely a bare assertion. Therefore, this rebuttal is false. Conclusion My opponent's rebuttals are all on, "legalize duels then", or about suicide. Yeah, legalize it. My opponent's rebuttals are refuted if I said that. My opponent makes a bare assertion that boxing is the only sport that is violent, and my opponent concedes that it is entertaining. My opponent made no actual rebuttals, as he didn't refute anything. Vote Con. My opponent makes no good arguments, rebuttals, and just quotes to make his arguments look bigger, which sucks, as his whole argument will be smaller than my fr!ckin conclusion. Don't let my opponent steal the win. He can't defend his arguments, as I made them impossible to defend, and they are all weak. Vote Con, as you can't vote Pro in the debate, it is impossible unless it is a vote bomb. The best way for my opponent to get points is to concede. Vote Con. |
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