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awesome
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Konigon
Pro (for)
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9 Points

THe United States Government should require a national photo identity card for all residents.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/15/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 851 times Debate No: 4051
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awesome

Con

Okay, I'm going to make this as short as possible, but I'm not very good at that. National identity cards should not be made. Here is why:

1. National identity cards could always be stolen, and there is no preventing that. National identity cards will make it easier for people to steal others identities. Lives could be ruined and it will be even harder to fix afterword.

2. National identity cards could foster new forms of discrimination and harrassment. Police officers will have complete and total access to these cards and can get whatever information they want off of them. Some autorities are already racist. Imagine what could happen when they have access to your full heritage, ethnicity, and history.

3. National identity cards will not prevent terrorism. The public doesn't know this, but it is true. The little public support for identity cards would presumably be much weaker if the public actually knew this.

4. National identity cards are an invasion of privacy. How are Americans supposed to feel free if there are screening points, and backround checks everywhere they go.

5. This system would be VERY expensive. It is going to cost the military 145 BILLION dollars. That doesn't even pay for the whohle thing. There would have to be a database of all the information of all Americans. People coming into America would have to be in the system too. This is far beyond what we can afford.

Okay, that is my case. I guess it wasn't that short, but I tried my best! Please vote fairly, and thank you for listening! :-D

Here is one last quote to prove that I am right.

The American Civil Liberties Union stated at aclu.org, accessed on March 13, 2008, "It offers only a false sense of security and will not enhance our security - but will pose serious threats to our civil liberties and civil rights. A Naional ID will not keep us safe or free."
Konigon

Pro

i believe that you should have identity cards for the governmant to identify

1) Do you know how many criminals get away with things each day because there is not enough evidance?
Well if you had a card that could identify you and where you were you would not be able to commit such crimes thus lowering crime rates in the united states.

2)Social security
you could also be caught trying to steal someones social security number.
if you are trying to hack someones social security number but your identidy card could keep you from doing bad things

you see fellow debaters that if we all had some form of identifacation that could identify us at all times crime in the United States would most definately go down!
Debate Round No. 1
awesome

Con

~Hey~ Here we go...

Crimes in the United States would not go down because identity cards will not prevent Americans from doing anything. They might (but most likely will not) keep teenagers from drinking and sneaking into clubs, but the most serious crimes will not be prevented.

"hacking someones social security number" could not be prevented either because identity theft will increase. Getting a person's information will be easier than ever. The fact that everything will be on this card makes it easier for criminals to get all the information they need. It is one stop shopping for them.

Leading experts point out that as more and more cards are put into operation, more and more people know how to break them.

Thanks for reading! :-)
Konigon

Pro

Konigon forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
awesome

Con

Okay, my opponent didn't say anything so I really don't have anything to say either, but here is something.

Some people think that no mistakes would be made through this system or that is unbreakable. This definately would be untrue. People who work for this system could make mistakes. Mistakes always occur inh government run projects because they are done on such a large scale. Identity cards could also be forged, stolen, or wrongly made. Terrorists could obtain a card too. No database is 100 percent safe. "It seems there is a security breach every day. How many people have been affected?" on privacyrights.org.

Okay, thanks for reading. :-D
Konigon

Pro

sorry everyone for missing last round but how would identity cards effect you? thats always the question they can be helpful to you. You forget your social security number its on the back of the card but only you can see it as you might be able to tell i dont like to talk a lot in these debates i believe that my reasoning should be good enough short if it is good enough
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by SweetBags 9 years ago
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con, you make some large claims, but provide no real evidence. cite your sources and give a link if possible, it adds credibility.
pro, same. you should also attack all of con's points, and provide your own as well.
con, what experts? you provide no evidence to back your claim.
con, give a link to that article, in case someone wants to read it (some voters prefer to do that). said qoute seems like you took it out of context, give a full qoute so people will know what said person is saying. and qoute the auther and give his/her credentials, it adds credibility.
pro, shorter doesnt mean better, show your logic, more people will vote for you.
RFD:
while i found a alot of problems with con's case, pro never effectively rebutted it (he dropped 3 points) or provided on of his own. so im forced to vote CON.
COMMENTS:
both sides should work more on clearly showing their logic, and with providing evidence to support said logic.
Posted by DanTheLawyer 9 years ago
DanTheLawyer
Refering to sarsin comment:

Well the more you simplify is a good thing, but the more you put on an identity card, the easier people can check information on you and the much more dangers of identity theft increase
Posted by sarsin 9 years ago
sarsin
It almost makes sense from an IT/geek perspective if we treated the nation like Active Directory. I could be America.California.Sarsin :P. Things like dealing with drivers licenses would be easy; they would just add the "permissions" to drive for that state to your card. I bet your could simplify a bunch of stuff that way.

Then I remember it would be the GOVERNMENT putting it together. Which means it would be bloated and non-functional.
Posted by awesome 9 years ago
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Actually, I was just in a competition over this topic, and I came in 5th place. Whoohoo!!
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