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ruth421963
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TheLibertarian
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" TV {prime time} tries to run head & head VS. cable and XXX movies".

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Started: 12/16/2007 Category: Arts
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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ruth421963

Con

Hey hi,
I would love to gather
other ppls insight. Do
we really need or desire
more lust in {prime time}
just to keep it fresh and
grab a younger deamagraphic?
I feel we must{otherwise the
marketing will fail..a.k.a.
the TV shows they
slap ads on}. I need more then
the lust they put our there.
I feel if CSI:CI along with
many other topic TV..When did
it become "okay we can say,
laid, ball and so many other
tacky words". Hey it is the
real world, I'm tired of dealing
with it each day & night..I have
yet to seek solace and a few good
jokes in a comedy.
We should not sell our souls--
I'm well aware Hollywood has taken
care of that. How many ppl feel
we should keep going deeper and dirtier?
Do we have anybody who feels as I do, save
that for "making Love"..I have many places
I can go for "passion" I don't need it shoved
down my throat.
Open to any ideas....
TheLibertarian

Pro

First of all, I would just like to say welcome to the site. No it will be slightly hard to disprove some of my opponents arguments, so I will mainly deal philosophically and politically, rather than analytically or statistically.

Our great and amazing nation is based off of relatively simple principles, and the constitution, which was created in a somewhat libertarian fashion, clearly states that all Americans are guaranteed the rights of "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." In addition, the capitalistic economy we have currently is fed by competetion, competition our economy is highest and most productive when companies are allowed to do as they wish with less government regulation. Now, you feel that we have too much "lust" and "tacky words" in our current media, and that something should be done to prevent this. However, I feel that this would be violation of our liberties, and that the prime time networks are solely competing with other forms of media to attract that many more viewers, causing more advertisement sales, and therefore a better economy. So this on the whole is beneficial to America, and only helps us.

In addition, we are having these things "forced down our throats", however, I feel that not only are they not that apparent, but that we are having too much regulation. The uproar that was caused by quote-unquote "Nipplegate" during the 2004 Superbowl with Janet Jackson was entirely uncalled for, as people became WAY too sensitive about this accidental slip. This caused far more governmental interference oin our media, and I feel that even more of this regulation will only snowball into more governmental control and an authoritarian state (which is happening right now).

So, no, I feel that many media companies are A) only doing what they need to do to survive in this ever growing economy, B) Have too much governmental regulation already, C) Are not NEARLY as bad as other forms of televesion (television Porn), and D) Are just evolving in the everchanging society. Thank you.

P.S. For next time, it may be easier to do a quick run through before posting it, as some of the things you said were hard to understand, and therefore hard to respond to. Thank you very much.
Debate Round No. 1
ruth421963

Con

Oh thanks so much for
that recap on America and media.
As far as Janet Jackson goes,
I could care less{it was a bad
pr stunt}. I never felt it should
have got all the media talking.
Did they forget we have a war
going on? I'm far from frigid,
I have spent the better part of
thee 1980's teaching my two sons
about "skinamax" bc I felt they
were getting as much sex and blood
with "Die Hard"..If you are
going to show then one I have
to show then both{good, bad and thee
ugly}. My sons are 24 & 26, and I'm
pleased with thee outcome.
I think if FOX is going to
try & take on Showtime along with
HBO...Do it, don't waste you're
time on disclaimers..Let us
pray that this group of parents
will take the time out and
discuss each Q you're child
has. The world needs help..corp.
America as always will sink its
own ship.
Thats a take{poor one}.
Peace, Ruth
TheLibertarian

Pro

Ok, so I am a little confused we are arguing about now. I thought what we were talking about was about how the fact Prime Time TV is becoming more risqu� was bad, but you pretty much agreed with me when you said that they should "Do it, don't waste their time on disclaimers." So if you could clear this up so we can continue to debate, I would appreciate it.

In addition, I just want to disagree with what you said when you stated that "Like always, America will sink its own ship." I feel that time and time again, America has been a shining example for other nations of the world to imitate of the ideals of liberty, equality, freedom, and justice. We have had amazing success on a vast amount of ventures, and only in very recent past has America even had a slight trace of failure. And while our current leadership may not be up to scratch, this will only cause a change in the way our nation is run, and will only benefit our society as a whole. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 2
ruth421963

Con

Hey hi, {pretty formal}

I agree , I have flipped. My point was one of
the language TV can slip by with now. When has it
become "typical" to say "layed, hump, screw, just
to name a few. I see that Two and 1 & half man, get
away with a lot. I don't mind hearing it now{sons are
grown}.
So in the effort to play catch up, network TV
{won't be around, that too will be phased out}.
They right sexier lines and have each group of kids,
struggle as we had. I feel if we have the answers, why
not tell our children. So much of rap has taught them
thee negatives, we must try and unsrew as much as possible.
I feel there are far too many variables here. As far
as America goes, it is the land of the free & homeless.
Most countries despise us. When I think back on
Hurricane Katrina & how Bush made the U.S. AGAIN
look like a third world country. We have 9/11 and
oh so much more. I ask for space as I have veered of
couse again.
Have a good one on me,
Regards & Peace,
Miss Ruth A.Marland
TheLibertarian

Pro

Ok, so first of all my opponent in essence gave up on the topic at hand, and wants to discuss other things, which is fine, but probably wasn't the best thing to do in a debate.

My opponent says how it is now typical to say somewhat obscene words on TV, and how that is bad. However, I feel that in our constantly evolving society, a great deal of things change with each generation, and that what might be obscene twenty years ago is now perfectly acceptable. An example of this is with novels. During the eighteenth century, many people thought they were grotesque and atrocious. Now you hear high school student complain because that is what they are being forced to read. You can see that many things change throughout the years in society, and swear words on television is just one of them.

Also, I would just like to say that the many things my opponent concerning our great nation disgusts me, and I am outraged that one can feel that way about America, even in it's current rough patch. Some of the only reasons you can say things against our government only shows the kind of freedom and liberty that the US has that other countries can only dream of. You say how we are the "land of the homeless" and that we are a "third world country", however we are one of the most wealthy and productive nations in the world, and the fact that less than one percent of America comes even close to being homeless (http://www.nypirg.org...)just shows how successful of a nation we are.

In addition, you state how "most countries despise us", but what you fail to realize is that in fact we have more allies and business partners throughout the world than almost any other nation, so this could not be farther from the truth.

Before you say acidic things against our nation, please do your research first.
Thank you.
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