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ka3ak87
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JD31720
Con (against)

Taxation is theft.

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Started: 8/22/2017 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 months ago Status: Debating Period
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ka3ak87

Pro

I will argue that taxation is theft.

Taxation is defined as: The process whereby charges are imposed on individuals or property by the legislative branch of the federal government and by many state governments to raise funds for public purposes. [1]

Theft is defined as: The removal property without consent of the owner with the intention of depriving the owner of it permanently. [2]

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Con - Acceptance and Acknowledgement of Definitions and Formats
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[1] http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...
[2] https://www.britannica.com...
JD31720

Con

I am excited to debate this topic.
I accept the terms, and am ready to begin.
Debate Round No. 1
ka3ak87

Pro

Why Taxation is Theft

Taxation meets the legal definition of theft because it forcefully deprives an individual of their property permanently. [1] The main counter argument to taxation being viewed as theft is that it used for a common social good, which is irrelevant due to the legal circumstance for theft being valid. The conclusion is not changed by the fact that the government uses the money for a good cause; however, more often than not the government uses money irresponsibly for often unpopular causes.

There is no social contract with individuals to pay taxes. Laws are irrelevant because they are compulsory and are legitimated by force, therefore would be disqualified as a legitimate contracts due to duress of one of the involved parties. Often the tax revenue is misused to benefit corporate or foreign institutions, which is essentially depriving the tax payer of their income permanently.

Examine for instance the social security tax, when Social Security was established in 1935, it purpose was to provide minimal financial assistance to those too old or unable to work. The plan was to have certain workers and their employers make small contributions to a fund that would be held in trust for the workers by the government. At the time, the average life expectancy of Americans was 61 years of age, but Social Security didn't kick in until age 65. Thus, the Social Security system was systematically taking money from the average American tax payer that most would never see returned. Intentionally and forcefully depriving an individual of income for a social program that they would not partake in, is by definition theft.

[1] http://dictionary.law.com...
JD31720

Con

Why Taxation is not theft

Taxation is not theft because the government does not deprive one of the benefits of those tax dollars permanently, or at all. While the government does tend to be wasteful, there are services that are provided by the government, such as protection by law enforcement, and welfare, that secure the well being of all citizens. People who receive welfare are actually getting more money than they put into the system.

The government owns the land, and as a resident of the land you have to follow the rules set by the government. Thankfully, those rules are set by voting. As a citizen, when the majority of people vote to continue paying taxes, everyone else still has that responsibility to pay taxes under the law.

As a nation, we pay taxes to secure every citizens well being and protection.
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Posted by John_C_1812 5 months ago
John_C_1812
Surgeon,
Taxation is a cost to provide a human service. It is not theft by principle it is a possible bribe by criminal description. The Political circle only receives a portion of the bribe the majority is given to the public in many forms not just in tax return. The United States Constitution is in place regardless if represented. Double jeopardy would create a public pressure to misdirect the actual crime elsewhere publicly. This would create the illusion of immunity to judicial constitutional separation.

Just as this is not a practice of a right of Amendment. We practice a United States Constitutional right of common defense. As one day we ourselves may find ourselves an elected official.
Posted by Surgeon 5 months ago
Surgeon
I think the proposition is sound. It is with the "intention of depriving permenently". The officials in the branch of government responsible for taxation do intend to deprive permenently. The mere fact another set of officials in another branch of government have programmes to distribute the money again (incidentally this is not guaranteed to go back to the same taxpayers), has no bearing on the fact that the money was taken in the first place. It is a category error to think otherwise. People (an instantiated reality) and not "the Government" (and abstract concept), make decisions, are just or unjust, take or give, pay tax etc.
Posted by MagicAintReal 5 months ago
MagicAintReal
Here's something interesting...the word in Spanish for "imposed" is the same word in Spanish for "taxes."
I see where you're going here, but since many taxes get refunded/reimbursed, the "depriving permanently" portion of the definition for theft is not satisfied.
Posted by John_C_1812 5 months ago
John_C_1812
By Constitution, and by Constitution we mean basic principle and legal precedent. The definition of taxation is an admittance to a possible crime only. Taxation however collected, be it by, Federal, State, County, City, borough, and township. Collect taxation to support an impartiality of the Constitutional judicial separation, for the shared burden and not immunity it may provide the political process when used correctly.

It is not act of taxation which is responsible for the theft of property, or belonging. The Impartial judicial process is owned by the Republic, and was its burden for the political republic to maintain. The issue is now has a democratic sheading, of that principle by method of fines, and other penalties, now changed the impartial separation it should be hold.
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