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Teaching a child Christianity is child abuse

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Started: 2/15/2013 Category: Religion
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Anathema

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1. Pro will be: Teaching a child Christianity is child abuse. I will be debating the pro side.
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PurpleDrink

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I accept your challenge and look forward to your opening arguments.
Debate Round No. 1
Anathema

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PurpleDrink

Con

Looks like my opponent forfeited this round. Still waiting for Pro's argument. My contention is that teaching a child Christianity is not at all necessarily child abuse.
Debate Round No. 2
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Debate Round No. 4
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PurpleDrink

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Well here we are at the end, and Pro has not given an argument for me to refute.

I'll just briefly say why I don't think teaching a child Christianity is not necessarily child-abuse.

To define Child Abuse:
In the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Department for Children And Families (DCF) define child maltreatment as any act or series of acts of commission or omission by a parent or other caregiver that results in harm, potential for harm, or threat of harm to a child.

I'm guessing that if this argument had occurred, it would have been centered around defining "Harm".

Physical harm? No. You can bring up corporal punishment by nuns in the old days, but you could be teaching math while using corporal punishment, but you certainly wouldn't argue that teaching math is child abuse.

Sexual harm? No. Catholic Priests have a reputation for enjoying little boys, but that has nothing to do with their teaching of Christianity. You could teach math while groping a little boy, but you could not then argue that teaching math in and of itself is child abuse.

Emotional harm? No. You would have to prove that the teaching of Christianity itself was the cause of any emotional harm and not by the methodology of the teacher. There is no such proof.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by RoyLatham 4 years ago
RoyLatham
Debates with forfeits should be posted in the thread at the very top of Forums > debate.org for forfeits, http://www.debate.org... A fair number of DDOers watch that thread. Con deserved the win.
Posted by Sagey 4 years ago
Sagey
That hasn't helped all those thousands that committed suicide to please the Christian god! Yes, Christian indoctrination is definitely at fault there, it's dumb to assert otherwise.
Or those thousands of people who suffer agoraphobia like some people I know here in their youth, because they fear that there is too much evil outside their homes/rooms.
Yes that is also a product of indoctrination into a belief in Evil.
You cannot blame that on Atheism, because to us, Evil does not exist.
Which is proven by neurology.
There is no such thing as Evil so Atheists don't fear Evil.
Only Theists live in a life of fear of Evil
Silly Sods.
BTW: I cannot debate,, debate.org cannot confirm my identity, there's a fault in their network.
It's a very poorly constructed website, too many bugs to fix, including a rogue script that locks people's browsers up!
Posted by PurpleDrink 4 years ago
PurpleDrink
By the way if you like, challenge me to a debate.
Posted by PurpleDrink 4 years ago
PurpleDrink
You seem to have a lot of anger an angst toward Christianity. It is possible that you believe that perhaps you were harmed by it, but child development is a very complex thing, and there are many factors at play. To isolate a blame one things ludicrous, especially when the vast majority of theists are living normal, productive lives. To say the inventor of Calculus and modern mechanical physics was limited by his faith is pure speculation.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org...
From American Journal of Psychiatry showing that atheists have a much higher rate of suicide than those belonging to some religion.
Posted by Sagey 4 years ago
Sagey
Yes, it appears that those theistic scientists may have had potential to be even better scientists, had they not been indoctrinated, because part of their ability to rationalize had been impaired by indoctrination.
Charles Darwin would have been more forward and likely went a lot further with his Theory, had he not been held back about irrational doubts concerning his Christian god. These doubts interfered with his work.
They shouldn't have!!
Same occurred to many scientists in the past from Copernicus, Galileo, onwards.
Posted by Sagey 4 years ago
Sagey
Here's a couple of references on harm of indoctrination of children, apart from the obvious that I pointed out!
http://www.gowithoutgod.com...
http://brasilmagic.wordpress.com...
http://www.librarything.com...
http://www.secularhumanism.org...
http://www.endhereditaryreligion.com...
http://www.richarddawkins.net...#
Here is a education psychology paper which warns (Teachers) not to indoctrinate children, especially into concepts and beliefs that are not easily proven nor evident in the child's empirical, immediate environment (i.e. Religion). This should also apply to parents who want a child with an open, perceptive mind. As it has been proven that indoctrination into irrational concepts reduces their ability to rationalize productively when such non productive, irrational ideas are indoctrinated (brainwashed) into the children's minds.
http://www.philosophy-of-education.org...
Also this excerpt: "In the 19th century, Philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer argued that teaching some ideas to children at a young age could foster resistance to doubting those ideas later on.[52] Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins, use the term child abuse to describe the harm that some religious upbringings inflict on children which include:[53][54]

Fear of punishment such as eternal damnation
Guilt about sexual urges
Depriving children the opportunity to think freely or openly"
From: http://en.wikipedia.org...
Yes the guilt about "Sexual Urges" is a Christian doctrine that caused all those thousands if not millions of Virgin Suicides.
Aye M8ey! :-D~
Posted by Sagey 4 years ago
Sagey
Their lives are even more of a waste, because factually, Sin does not exist!
There is no such thing as Sin.
Posted by Sagey 4 years ago
Sagey
I believe you are making that up out of the top of your head, show me evidence that more Atheists are committing suicide than Theists. We need proof of such statements b4 accepting.
Just because you believe it could be true, doesn't mean it is.
We know that the Virgin Suicides are a direct result of childhood indoctrination.
Because it is directly from and because of Christian teachings that they suicide!
Atheism and even Agnosticism does not teach that having sex prior to marriage is a sin.
Christianity does!
Thus these children's minds are suffering a form of mental abuse that will result in them opting for suicide in preference to committing a sin and destroying their chance of an afterlife, that truthfully doesn't exist.
They are committing suicide for nothing.
Yet they think they are ending their lives to avoid becoming sinners, this is the teachings and impression Christianity indoctrinated into their once young innocent minds.
In the case of inciting young people to commit suicide for reasons of Christian teachings is definitely child abuse!
It has been child abuse for nearly 2000 years and continues!

You are indeed wrong there!
Posted by PurpleDrink 4 years ago
PurpleDrink
It just goes to show theism is not an impediment, nor is it abuse. The rate of suicide is higher amongst atheists than Christians, likely because atheists don't believe in an afterlife and see death as simply a release from whatever they're going through, while Christians believe suicide is a sin and that there are worse, and better things than whatever they're going through in their lives. Find me an unhappy Christian, I'll find you an unhappy atheist.
Posted by Sagey 4 years ago
Sagey
Yes, back then 99% of scientists and philosophers were Theists.
Here and now in the University here only around 20% are Theists.
In my class of 30 there are only 2 Theists.
The rest of us are Atheists.
Theists in Australia are losing ground.
It's sort of obvious though, since our Nations leader is a well known Atheist.
So were some of our previous leaders.
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