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Avoidious
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PizzaTime
Con (against)

Ted Kaczynski was right about everything.

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Started: 12/30/2017 Category: Society
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Avoidious

Pro

Industrial Society and Its Future begins with Kaczynski's assertion that "[t]he Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race."[70][71]

Kaczynski states that technology has had a destabilizing effect on society, has made life unfulfilling, and has caused widespread psychological suffering.[72] He argues that because of technological advances, most people spend their time engaged in useless pursuits he calls "surrogate activities", wherein people strive towards artificial goals. Examples he gives of surrogate activities include scientific work, consumption of entertainment, and following sports teams.[72] He predicts that further technological advances will lead to extensive human genetic engineering and that human beings will be adjusted to meet the needs of the social systems, rather than vice versa.[72] He believes that technological progress can be stopped, unlike some people, who he says understand some of its negative effects yet passively accept it as inevitable,[73] and calls for a return to "wild nature".[72]

Kaczynski argues that erosion of human freedom is a natural product of industrial society because "[t]he system has to regulate human behavior closely in order to function," and that reform of the system is impossible as "[c]hanges large enough to make a lasting difference in favor of freedom would not be initiated because it would be realized that they would gravely disrupt the system."[74] However, he states that the system has not yet fully achieved "control over human behavior" and "is currently engaged in a desperate struggle to overcome certain problems that threaten its survival." He predicts that "[i]f the system succeeds in acquiring sufficient control over human behavior quickly enough, it will probably survive. Otherwise it will break down," and that "the issue will most likely be resolved within the next several decades, say 40 to 100 years."[74] Kaczynski therefore states that the task of those who oppose industrial society is to promote "social stress and instability," and to propagate "an ideology that opposes technology," one that offers the "counter-ideal" of nature "in order to gain enthusiastic support." Thus, when industrial society is sufficiently unstable, "a revolution against technology may be possible."[75]

Throughout the document, Kaczynski addresses leftism as a movement. He defines leftists as "mainly socialists, collectivists, 'politically correct' types, feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists and the like,"[76] states that leftism is driven primarily by "feelings of inferiority" and "oversocialization,"[72] and derides leftism as "one of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world."[76] Kaczynski additionally states that "a movement that exalts nature and opposes technology must take a resolutely anti-leftist stance and must avoid all collaboration with leftists", as in his view "[l]eftism is in the long run inconsistent with wild nature, with human freedom and with the elimination of modern technology".[70] He also criticizes conservatives, describing them as "fools" who "whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values."[76]
PizzaTime

Con

Ted Kaczynski was not right about everything.

"Kaczynski states that technology has had a destabilizing effect on society" ----- plausible statement

"has made life unfulfilling"----- completely subjective and unprovable.

"and has caused widespread psychological suffering."----- I merely googled what the main sources of psychological trauma were and the top six causes are Rape, Domestic Violence, Natural Disasters, Severe illness or injury, Death of loved one, and witnessing an act of violence. Humans in general would be much more vulnerable to those 6 scenarios if the world truly "devolved" to a more primitive society that he wants. Thus, bs.

" He argues that because of technological advances, most people spend their time engaged in useless pursuits he calls "surrogate activities", wherein people strive towards artificial goals. Examples he gives of surrogate activities include scientific work, consumption of entertainment, and following sports teams." ----- People do tend to waste quite a bit of time on their phones, computers, in front of tv's yes. But I would classify that more as to a pass time, and man kind has found ways to waste time away for centuries before electronics such as gambling, drinking, watching people or animals fight to the death. I do not know what artificial goals are because to me a Goal is something to aim for to get a desired result, thus a goal is either a goal or it is just a pass time, not an artificial goal.

"He predicts that further technological advances will lead to extensive human genetic engineering and that human beings will be adjusted to meet the needs of the social systems, rather than vice versa." ----- has not happened yet so cannot be proven right nor wrong.

"He believes that technological progress can be stopped, unlike some people, who he says understand some of its negative effects yet passively accept it as inevitable,[73] and calls for a return to "wild nature"." ----- Can progress of technology be stopped? I have my doubts. Ever since the stone age mankind has been trying to find a better club or way to make a sharper stick. It is practically hardwired into our dna to find an easier way to live. Also, If he believes it is best for mankind to return to "wild nature", he forgets that without all of our technologies we drop several stages on the food chain. Mankind has evolved far enough to where the majority of the population cannot survive in the wild.

"Kaczynski argues that erosion of human freedom is a natural product of industrial society because "[t]he system has to regulate human behavior closely in order to function," and that reform of the system is impossible as "[c]hanges large enough to make a lasting difference in favor of freedom would not be initiated because it would be realized that they would gravely disrupt the system."[74] However, he states that the system has not yet fully achieved "control over human behavior" and "is currently engaged in a desperate struggle to overcome certain problems that threaten its survival." He predicts that "[i]f the system succeeds in acquiring sufficient control over human behavior quickly enough, it will probably survive. Otherwise it will break down," and that "the issue will most likely be resolved within the next several decades, say 40 to 100 years."" ----- I agree with him that Society does have to regulate human behavior in order to function. If there was no system it would just be one group of feral humans raping, pillaging, stealing, and murdering from the next group of feral humans. But this guy is blaming the system and technology for messing with peoples psychologies and emotions, now imagine what those same people would be experiencing in his "mad max" type of world he dreamed up. As far as complete control over human behavior, that will never happen. Humans in general have learned to behave and live with one another, but everyone has free will, and sometimes the ones who don't care about the rules or have some mental health issues such as paranoid schizophrenia much like Mr. Kaczynski, will commit acts of terrorism.

"Kaczynski therefore states that the task of those who oppose industrial society is to promote "social stress and instability," and to propagate "an ideology that opposes technology," one that offers the "counter-ideal" of nature "in order to gain enthusiastic support." Thus, when industrial society is sufficiently unstable, "a revolution against technology may be possible."" ----- Anyone who wants to promote "social stress and instability" in society ends up in the exact place that Ted currently resides. But in the event that enough supporters band together, his "revolution against technology" will not work. Time and time again men have fought battles and time and time again history will tell you that the better equipped side holds a distinct advantage. Now I don't know if anyone else has seen Red Dawn the movie but it is based on fiction. You can fight and fight and hold out guerrilla style for a long time, but the guy with the missile that can hit a mouse from a thousand miles away is going to eventually win unless you have some form of technology to better him.

As far as his politics, I don't really care to dig into. The main point to make was that Ted Kacynski was not right about everything and I feel that I achieved that.
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