Thanks to the Jews, and Jesus too.
Go for it Pro. Why should we thank Jews and Jesus for Identifying Islam as tyrannical?
“You are of course defending Islam as a non tyrannical set of true believers?”
No, there are a lot of problems with the wording of the resolution but even with a very generous interpretation I do not have a positive burden of proof. Since you have made a positive claim I only have to negate your arguments and you have not made any arguments so far.
Issues with the ResolutionThe resolution should normally be stated in the debate title and clarified in round one. Alternately you can clearly state something along the lines of, “my resolution is” and then state your resolution so it is clear to Con what exactly you are claiming. The title here is, “Thanks to the Jews, and Jesus too.” This has nothing to do with tyranny or Islam and is not really a resolution. If, being generous, I take all of round one and the title as you resolution I am left with a vague resolution that gives credit to the Jews and Jesus for identifying Islam as tyrannical.
In other words, we would not know that Islam is tyrannical if it were not for the Jews and Jesus. This is clearly not true and there are many features of tyranny that are easily recognizable. Google defines tyranny as, “cruel and oppressive government or rule or, “cruel, unreasonable or arbitrary use of power or control .” It is a simple thing to recognize cruelty or arbitrary power so we do not need to thank Jews or Jesus for any knowledge of tyrannical governments.
All Islamic Governments are not Tyrannical
First, Islam is a religion and not a form of government so Islam itself cannot be tyrannical. The Quran does not build a system of government. Giving Pro even more leeway on his resolution one could ask, does Islam cause tyranny? There are many examples of Islamic countries that are not tyrannical so Islam itself does not cause tyranny. There are obviously other factors.Cruelty or arbitrary governments are easy to spot and you do not need a Christian worldview or help from Jesus to identify them. According to the freedom in the world and democracy indexes roughly half of Islamic countries are rated as partly free or free . More than 40% of countries identified as Islamic have secular state governments.
Pro’s Position in Round two Seems to Confuse Correlation with Causation
By his logic we might say that Christianity creates feudalism (arguable very tyrannical) if we were in the Middle Ages . We would have to change our mind and say that Christianity causes liberal democracies in the 20th century. Another explanation is that primitive governments are tyrannical and as we learn more governments are less prone/able to abuse power. This process is slower in many areas for various reasons.
Pro’s resolution is not clear and is most certainly false as it is written. He has not made any arguments to support any version of the resolution. Pro’s position in round 2 assumes that Islam is the cause of abusive governments without building any connection between the two.
"You have not retorted, only dictated rules to me that you believe I should obey."
I responded to your resolution and explained why it was not very clear or accurate. Without an explanation to my objections they have not been refuted and stand without objection. Arguments extended
"Whatever the voters decide for this debate will be a lie if they side with the dictator, you."
I don't know why I have been described as a dictator and this is basically an ad hominem attack. Pro is basically saying that my arguments are false because I have a personality flaw which is not a valid argument.
Thanks to Pro for setting up the debate.
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