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That the united states should impliment universal health care modeled after the french system.

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Started: 11/16/2008 Category: Health
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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spenserririe

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In this debate my opponent will try to convince readers why the United States should impliment universal health care modeled after the french system.

The first round will be open to my opponent to ask any questions before we begin debating.
Metz

Pro

I assume this will be a public Forum style debate since it is the PF topic???

Look forward to debating you
Debate Round No. 1
spenserririe

Con

spenserririe forfeited this round.
Metz

Pro

As My opponent forfeited I will Step out of this round to allow for an even playing field
Debate Round No. 2
spenserririe

Con

spenserririe forfeited this round.
Metz

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I will Post my arguments first then..

In 2000, the World Health Organization ranked the French healthcare system the best in the world. This would make it apparent that we, who ranked 37th, have some lessons to learn from them. I affirm the resolution, resolved: that the United States government should implement universal health care modeled after the French system, for three primary reasons.
First, that it is more cost efficient than our current system because the French spend much less with better quality.
Second, that it is a more collective system that insures all citizens, which is better for society
Finally, that France has, as a result of their healthcare system, better overall health, which we could have as well if we had a similar system.
I will start be defining a few key words
Modeled: to construct or fashion in imitation of a particular model. Merriam Webster
Imitation: the quality of an object in possessing some of the nature or attributes of a transcendent idea. Merriam Webster
The US is in an economic recession right now, and the US government is continuously falling farther and farther into debt, according to the United States Treasury The U.S. is $10 trillion dollars in debt as of September 30th of this year. Implementing a universal healthcare system similar to that of France would save the US money. According to the Senate Budget Committee As of 2005 the US spent 15.3% of its GDP on healthcare, while France spent only 11.1% of its national GDP. This translates to roughly $6,100 per capita in the US, while only $3,500 per capita in France Obvioisly a significant difference. Also, according to OECD Health Data in 2005 the French system is much more efficient; the US spends 7.3% of our healthcare budget on administration costs, while France only spends 1.9%. This means we would be decreasing needless costs that are being spent in administrative work and personnel thus delivering better healthcare for less. Using a healthcare system modeled after the French would not only save money for the government, but for all of us. The US citizen paid, in 2000 according to The Commonwealth Fund, on average, $707 on out of pocket costs, while the average French citizen spends only $240. Implementing a universal healthcare system modeled after the French would save both the government and the American people money.
Second, a large portion of the country is uninsured or underinsured. According to the US Census Bureau, in 2007 45.7 million people, or a shocking 15.3% of the population, were uninsured. This 45.7 million people would have health insurance if we adopted a healthcare system modeled after the French. Having health insurance reduces the mortality rates by 10-15%, so if, as under the French system, everyone had healthcare we would be reducing mortality rates by 10 to 15% for 45.7 million people. In addition, according to a survey by the Common Wealth Fund in 2003, 16 million adults are underinsured, in other words, their deductibles equaled 5% or more of their income. We have a moral obligation to reduce mortality as much as possible, and the increase in mortality rates caused by being uninsured is preventable if we used a healthcare system modeled after that of the French
Third, implementing a healthcare program modeled after that of France would increase the overall health of the country. France has better health in many areas, with lower infant mortality rates and higher life expectancy. According to OECD in 1999 France had an infant mortality rate of 4.3 per 1000 live births, while the US had a rate of 7.2. In 2003, according to the WHO, France had a healthy life expectancy of 72 years, while the US had a healthy life expectancy of 69 years. This means that we have a lower life expectancy then we could under the French system. So adopting the French system would inevitably save lives.
In conclusion, it is obvious that the United States should implement a nationalized healthcare system similar to that of France because it will ensure a more collective system and better health for less money.
Debate Round No. 3
spenserririe

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spenserririe forfeited this round.
Metz

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Since My opponent has yet to present a Case I believe I have won this round...
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by spenserririe 8 years ago
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That is why i am arguing con on this debate!
Posted by VenomousNinja 8 years ago
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Just so you know, the french system is horrible. It costs every citizen of france 80% of their income every year for free health care, which most of them won't even use it because they don't need to.
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