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The 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Bill of Rights guarantees an individual right to own firearms.

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Started: 2/20/2014 Category: Politics
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oka

Pro

2nd Amendment of the United States Bill of Rights
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

For the purpose of this debate, Arms will be a reference to firearms.

Issue

Whether or not the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Bill of Rights guarantees an individual the right to own firearms.

P1
In the wording of the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Bill of Rights (to be referred to as 2A), the individual right to own firearms is guaranteed in the following clause:

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"


2A guarantees the individual right to own firearms for citizens of the United States.



m.tillack

Con

Although it is true the Second Amendment does give us the right to bear arms, this Amendment does more harm than good toward the citizens in this country.

P1
The right to bear arms made guns more easier for people to get access too

p2
since people have easier access to guns in the U.S because of the second amendment, there are more violence occurrence here than other countries that have strict guns laws

Conclusion
Therefore, the Second Amendment does more harms than good toward the citizens in this country because of the lenient gun laws that is enforced in this country.

issue: whether the second Amendment does more harm than good toward the citizens in the United States.
Debate Round No. 1
oka

Pro

You have ignored the original argument. I will argue the new issue.

Your second point is a fallacy. You are wrong in saying that nations with stricter gun laws are less violent than the US.

A Harvard study indicates that there is no correlation between gun control and violent crime.

Nation  Murder Rate  Gun Ownership Rate 

Russia 20.5 4,000
Luxembourg  9.01  0 
Finland  2   39,000 
Germany  0.9   30,000 
US  4.7   89,000 

If the US bans gun ownership, guns would not disappear. Criminals would own guns, law abiding citizens would not.

[1]http://www.law.harvard.edu...
m.tillack

Con

I beg to differ. According to " usatoday.com", States with the most laws had a mortality rate 42% lower than those states with the fewest laws, they found. The strong law states' firearm-related homicide rate was also 40% lower and their firearm-related suicide rate was 37% lower" (Alcindor, p.1, 2013). It was retrieved online at http://www.usatoday.com....

P1
This quote shows that stricter gun laws do in fact lower violent crimes.
P2
states that have stricter gun laws have less violent rate
conclusion
The second amendment influence violence because most states have lenient gun laws

Issue: whether the Second Amendment influence violence because of the lenient gun laws
Debate Round No. 2
oka

Pro

This is the 2nd time you've changed your argument.

If you had read your own article, you would have come across this

"researchers did not establish a cause and effect relationship between guns and deaths."

The article states that Massachusetts has 3.9 gun deaths per 100k. You say this makes Mass safe.

However, Mass is one of the most dangerous states in the US. In 2004, it ranked the 19th most dangerous, with 460 violent crimes per 100k.

West Virginia ranked as the 38th most dangerous state, with only 272 violent crimes per 100k. This is a state where licenses, registrations and permits are not required, and residents may openly carry their firearms in public.

There may be less gun related deaths, but people will be homicidal regardless.



m.tillack

Con

in the usatoday article previous mention above

P1
researchers such as Wintemute, did in fact did not see a correlation between guns and violence
P2
but he said I " believes gun policies are important and can drive rates of violence down " (Alcindor, P.1,2013)
P3
and also admits that his research is " very minimal" funded
P4
if the researchers' research is under funded, then most likely it cannot be a credit source
P5
because a research must be well funded to understand the correlation between gun and violence

conclusion 1
therefore, the article proves the second amendment influence violence because most states have lenient gun laws

Issue: whether the Second Amendment influence violence because of the lenient gun laws
Debate Round No. 3
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