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The 5 Seconds Of Summer Fandom Should Stop The #HPBI Movement

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/24/2014 Category: Music
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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fight4rightz

Pro

I am here to argue that the fanbase of the popular Australian band 5 Seconds Of Summer should stop the movement called Here Before Pony Invasion, also known as #HPBI. this was created by members of the fandom that have been fans for an extended period of time to identify the fand that were fans before the band became more popular. it is my opinion that all fans should be treated as equal, no matter what time that they joined the fandom. First round is for acceptance. May the best debater win.
baus

Con

Why stop the #HPBI movement when they can just wait long enough to start their own "we were here before this" movement and then the HPBI will merge with that group.

Respect your elders.
Debate Round No. 1
fight4rightz

Pro

The reason that I started this debate was to emphasize that all fans are equal, and having liked something longer than another person does not necessarily make someone a better person or more of a "True Fan" than someone who only recently discovered the work of the artist in question. The band 5 Seconds of summer are gaining the fame that they deserve and have worked hard for, and just because one fan has liked them since 2011 and another since 2013 does not make the first fan more of a fan than the second fan. Making another "We Were Here Before This" movement a couple years from now would only be displaying the same kind of discrimination that newer members of the 5 Seconds Of Summer fandom are experiencing now. Therefore, having experienced the same kind of alienation this behavior elicits, many fans would opt out of that sort of thing.

As for the "respect your elders" comment, I was not refering to the physical age of the fan, but the length of time the fan has been a fan of whatever they are a fan of, thus rendering your point moot.

Your move, my most worthy opponent.
baus

Con

Let's analyze pro's case piece by piece so that I can rebut in a strategic manner.

Having liked something more than another is analogous to having lived more than another. Life and fandom are comparable. If one has been down the road of 'life' longer than another, they are inherently elders within that fandom compared with the newer fans. If you do Karate for 40 years or only for 12 years there is a world of difference in how much respect your dedication and loyalty will receive. So, doing something longer than other has, throughout history of mankind, been a reason to revere you as more virtuous an individual.

This is not a matter of discrimination it's almost like saying that all old pensioner's clubs or old people's homes are a corrupt organization for people who happen to have joined society before others did.

The fact is that the elders within the community (meaning those who have been part of the fandom longer, not those who are older in real life) have more experience and knowledge than the noobs about the band and its history and even if a noob was super-smart, they haven't shown the loyalty required to earn you respect within the community.
Debate Round No. 2
fight4rightz

Pro

Tyranny
noun
noun: tyranny; plural noun: tyrannies
-cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control
-(especially in ancient Greece) rule by one who has absolute power without legal right

The members of the HBPI movement are by definition, tyrants. they use their elder knowledge of the fandom to deceive and warn off new members of the fandom.

One is not displayed as a "more virtuous person" as Con stated, if they use their knowledge and skill to put down an entire group of people down and expell them from the fandom. If your comparisons of fandom to life are assumed to be true, then hpbi is committing fandom genocide.
Other groups of people that doubtlessly have gained much knowledge and wisdom in their field of expertise, yet are not revered by much of society because their actions are viewed as hateful and wrong: The WBC, The KKK, The Nazi-Hitler Regime, either side of the abortion argument by the other, and Boko Haram.

I am not saying that I either support or do not support any of these groups. I am simply saying that a large group of society is against them due to their hate towards a certain group of people.

Hate Group

A hate group is an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or other designated sector of society.

If a fandom is, indeed, a sector of society, then HBPI can be defined as a hate group, because they advocate hatred and hostility towards new fans. Therefore, even though they have been in the fandom longer, and that would warrant them a little more respect than a newer fan, they forfeit that respect in the eyes of all those against hate groups and fandom genocide, for that is what the movement was created to do.
baus

Con

HPBI do no such thing.

There is zero evidence of their hostility, they merely are enjoying the fact that they were the original fans before the new lot.

There's no hatred of a tyrannic kind at all.

You are baselessly asserting this.
Debate Round No. 3
fight4rightz

Pro

Obviously there was enough hostility that guitarist Michael Clifford felt the need to address it yesterday over Twitter, saying that "fans are fans".
baus

Con

Michale Clifford's subjective opinion is irrelevant.

I am aware that fans = fans much as cars = cars.

However, red cars =/= blue cars and ancient fans =/= newer fans.

All my arguments have gone uncontested.
Debate Round No. 4
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro made many assertions that, if they could relate it to the resolution would of made me actually think about this. However, because Pro failed to meet BOP and dropped all of Baus's arguments, Baus wins. Conduct to baus because of the twitter post.