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The Archangel Macaroni will destroy Michael and Gabriel

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/7/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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pivot

Pro

The Archangel Michael is a coward and Gabriel may be effeminate. But Macaroni is the greatest of all the Angels.

The Pro position, (mine) is that the Mormon Angel Macaroni is superior to any other angel. As always my main source will be the Bible. Con is welcome to use any source, including the Book of Mormon and good luck Con.
DebatoryDavid

Con

I am going to argue that the strongest angel ever realized was Lucifer. Boy is this going to be interesting.
Lucifer is the strongest archangel to have attempted to relieve himself from the subservience of God. Before God took most of his power, he bound both Gabriel and Michael and brought them before god. He was the ultimate power next to god. If he wasn't, then the whole premise of heaven and hell is fundamentally flawed, because Lucifer would not have had so much pride over his place. He would not have been jealous of god's plan to glorify all humans into a transcendent state, and he would not have defied god and been cast out. Thus half the Bible collapses when you debate that Lucifer is not the most powerful angel that ever existed. Therefore, it isn't Gabriel or Michael or Macaroni or Moroni, it is LUCIPHER's unbridled power that is the strongest.
Debate Round No. 1
pivot

Pro

Welcome Con. If we allow for a name change then your premise will work for this debate. Therefore-

In this debate the term 'Archangel Macaroni' is now Lucifer.

Now Con will you agree that the Serpent of Genesis was more subtle than any beast of the field that God did make? If you will agree to this Con then we need to understand the power that Lucifer wields over Michael and Gabriel-

I say that Lucifer's power is the LAW. What makes the power of the LAW effective is that the LAW applies to the Angels of Heaven just as much as it applies to mankind.
DebatoryDavid

Con

DebatoryDavid forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
pivot

Pro

It is possible that Mormonism could become the dominant religion in the United States.
DebatoryDavid

Con

DebatoryDavid forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
pivot

Pro

There is a movement to history. History is not static but it does repeat itself. The repetition is this-

1 Michael the Archangel is protector of Israel
2 Israel is continually destroyed

These two facts are a historical repetition. The question is-

How does this repetition play out in Christianity?

Answer: The reins of Christian political authority is turned over to a non-Christian entity. To do this takes time. Are we saying that the Mormon Church is not a Christian church? No. We are saying that Mormonism represents an intermediary step towards turning the reins of political power over to a non-Christian entity. Here are the steps in America-

1 Puritanism
2 Protestantism
3 Protestant/Romanism
4

The United States is ready for step number 4.
DebatoryDavid

Con

DebatoryDavid forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Duncan 2 years ago
Duncan
Aren't Michael and Gabriel both Archangels?
Posted by pivot 2 years ago
pivot
But the last book in New Testament says that the arch fiend and the archangel do battle in heaven and that the dragon will be cast out.
Posted by Duncan 2 years ago
Duncan
Surely in a hypothetical battle between Angels, whoever started it would swiftly be given a thrashing by God, who would then send them down to share a flat with the last fallen angel. A battle between angelic forces could never occur when an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent deity who doesn't stand for infighting among his angels exists as well. Just saying.
Posted by pivot 2 years ago
pivot
It is all in how you use them.
Posted by dsjpk5 2 years ago
dsjpk5
Well, you are going to have a difficult time winning since no sacred text claims the existence of any such angel.
Posted by pivot 2 years ago
pivot
Yes d5. I purposely used the wrong name to point out how the regular Christians have persecuted the Mormons.
Posted by dsjpk5 2 years ago
dsjpk5
Do you mean the Mormon Angel Moroni?
Posted by pivot 2 years ago
pivot
Atmas,

Mormonism is no more extreme than Judaism. Actually Mormonism compares favorably to the OT religion. Did you know that Mormonism played an important part of the United States taking possession of the Old West? Did you know that Mormonism is part of the Sherlock Holmes literature? Did you know that the Mormons were persecuted everywhere they went by Christians? Did you know that Moroni is just as legitimate as any other angelic figure?

No, regular Christians are going to have a hard time with this here debate. What regular Christians are going to have to do in this debate is name call.
Posted by Atmas 2 years ago
Atmas
To be fair, Mormonism is the scientology of religion. It's far on the extreme scale and makes one pause for a second when it's explained. I almost joined the latter day saints a lifetime ago, when my young mind was eager to believe anything.
Posted by pivot 2 years ago
pivot
The Archangel Michael is a coward and Gabriel may be effeminate. But Macaroni is the greatest of all the Angels.

The Pro position, (mine) is that the Mormon Angel Macaroni is superior to any other angel. As always my main source will be the Bible. Con is welcome to use any source, including the Book of Mormon and good luck Con.

(As to the name selection- Christians are for the most part bigots when it comes to the Mormons.)
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Vote Placed by lannan13 2 years ago
lannan13
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