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The Avenger Sucked!!!

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Started: 6/11/2014 Category: Movies
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Dragonbenbo

Con

I wanna see if there is somebody out in the world who actually hated the Avengers!!!!
Linkmaxwell

Pro

Glad to accept the debate, my friend.
Debate Round No. 1
Dragonbenbo

Con

First Thor, Captain America, Hulk, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Nick Fury in one movie!!! All these character are freaking awesome you got a super soldier, god of thunder, couple of highly trained assassin, a man with huge anger problems and armor that shoots plasma beams that is complete awesome!! The story is the best with Loki returning as the main villain and the hulk vs Thor and Iron Man vs Thor now come on who doesn't wanna see that!!! The fight scenes were right on point and it never bored me at all and guess what the Avenger 2 comes out next May with one of the best villain for the Avengers and it's freaking Ultron and Hydra. Plus you got the son and daughter of Magneto which are Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. The Avengers was the third best movie in grossing with over 1 billion dollars!! Next you got Joss Whedon the genius behind this movie who has the director of Cabin in the Woods, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Agents of Shield and Angel all very popular shows from his work!!! I mean there is nothing to be said Avengers is one of my favorite movies of all time!!!!
Linkmaxwell

Pro

The Avengers is a fun popcorn movie, but that's all that it is- a fun popcorn movie. Overall, the film added very little to the world. While some superhero films have taken the conventions of the genre and examined the psychology of people who dress in costume to beat up others (Watchmen), the duality of mankind (The Dark Knight), or the effect that one person making a public statement can have on the culture (Kick-*profanity*), the Avengers is really just about how the Avengers, especially Iron Man, are cool.

The ultimate problem is that we have already seen each of these characters face their biggest internal challenges. They have all had to grow as people. There is only room for one character to get any development, which is naturally Tony Stark. I love Robert Downey, but there were five Avengers still missing any character development. They start out as one way, and end the film very much the same. The character with the greatest potential for growth, Bruce Banner, has his entire reason for being able to control his rage (something that he was unable to do for two movies) cut down to a single sentence. While it is true that there was a longer, more moving scene of his coming to terms with the Hulk, that was cut in favor of a longer New York battle.

And speaking of the New York battle, the Chitauri are about as effective as battle droids from Star Wars Episode I. The screenwriters, unable to come up with a satisfying way to end their film, simply have all the alien invaders drop dead the instant their base is destroyed. Ultimately, nothing any of the other Avengers do matters in the slightest, because Iron Man delivered the nuke. Even if the portal had remained open, their base being destroyed is clearly shown as the Chitauri's doom. Literally every other member of the most powerful team of superheroes in the Marvel universe is playing backup to Stark.
Debate Round No. 2
Dragonbenbo

Con

So who cares of the enemy is easy what did you expect that they would kill all the avengers and go yup that's how they die no!!! This movie is impossible to point out negatives and all marvel heroes in one movie is awesome. What about Expendables having all action stars or Transformers having all the autobots and deceptacon in three movies plus what about the upcoming justice league movies and superman vs batman movie so yeah lot of movies with a lot of main characters. Just having all the main superheroes in one movie is cool so you can't diss this movie just because one person had a bigger part than the other that is straight bs. Or if the enemy are too easy if that's the case than Star Wars hobbit and lord of the rings should be all gone because the enemies are too easy!!
Linkmaxwell

Pro

My point is that, compared to the Lord of the Rings or Star Wars, nobody experienced any sort of character arc outside of Iron Man, who got to go through almost the exact character growth that he experienced in all three of his solo movies. In those films, secondary characters actually got to experience things and grow as characters. Han Solo, for example, has a side arc in which he learns to trust his new friends, backing them up when they're in trouble while also developing a romantic relationship with Princess Leia. In the Lord of the Rings (movies), Merry and Pippin grow into men willing to accept responsibility for their actions after starting out as the comic relief. Gimli and Legolas learn to put aside racial hatreds and work together as best friends. In both of those series, the side characters are able to seem more real by their interactions with one another.

Now, as an exercise, list the relationships which developed during the Avengers with characters who are not Tony Stark. As you have pointed out in your opening argument, we have the Hulk, Thor, Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Nick Fury, all played by good actors. Well we have the Hulk who... forms a friendship with Tony Stark. There's Captain America who... learns to work with Iron Man. The relationships that we DO see outside the Tony Stark circle are either preexistent or perfunctory. Hawkeye and Black Widow have a relationship, but that's in place at the start of the film and never really develops, even after he's been mind controlled. Agent Coulson is a major Cap fanboy, but once again, that is in place before the film begins and doesn't actually grow. Instead, it is used to motivate the team (especially Iron Man) to work together. The only example I could find of a relationship actually developing between non-Stark characters was the brief scene that Hulk and Thor share after felling the Leviathan. Beyond that five seconds of humor, there's nothing.

In the end, the Avengers was a fun movie, but it works mostly out of spectacle. Its primary accomplishment was getting superheroes from multiple backgrounds together in one film, from war movie Cap to sci-fi Iron Man, monster movie Hulk and fantasy Thor. What it did not do, however, was tell a deep story. Compared to some of Joss Whedon's best work, there just wasn't enough time to actually bring out the best elements of each character. Combined with the undeniable bankability of Robert Downey Jr., and the other actors were destined to play second-fiddle in a film which should have been more about celebrating the awesome parts of team-ups, seeing different combinations of characters interact together to produce interesting new dynamics. Hopefully now the groundwork has been laid and Hollywood knows just how much money these films can make, this type of movie can become something more meaningful than simple popcorn fare.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Linkmaxwell 2 years ago
Linkmaxwell
Sometimes we learn best when we criticize what we love.
Posted by Dragonbenbo 2 years ago
Dragonbenbo
Wait you loved this movie but you are going to try to diss this movie
Posted by Linkmaxwell 2 years ago
Linkmaxwell
I loved the Avengers, but I'd be willing to try out devil's advocate.
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