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The Battle of Saratoga won the Revolutionary War

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/28/2014 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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josh1273436

Pro

First Round is just acceptance only type I accept.
Good luck
Rules:
My opponent will explain why this battle did not win the Colonists the Revolutionary war while I will explain why.
Round 2: Opening Statement for Pro, Rebuttal/Opening Statement for Con
Round 3: Rebuttal for Pro, Rebuttal for Con
Round 4: Closing Statements
clashofclans

Con

Declaring who won the Battle of Saratoga is something that many people debate. There were actually two separate battles that occurred in an 18 day interval. The first battle provided the British Army with an edge in the Revolutionary War but the Americans dominated the second battle.
The BATTLE OF SARATOGA was the turning point of the Revolutionary War.

The scope of the victory is made clear by a few key facts: On October 17, 1777, 5,895 British and Hessian troops surrendered their arms. General John Burgoyne had lost 86 percent of his expeditionary force that had triumphantly marched into New York from Canada in the early summer of 1777.he DIVIDE-AND-CONQUER strategy that Burgoyne presented to British ministers in London was to invade America from Canada by advancing down the Hudson Valley to Albany. There, he would be joined by other British troops under the command of Sir William Howe. Howe would be bringing his troops north from New Jersey and New York City.

Burgoyne believed that this bold stroke would not only isolate New England from the other American colonies, but achieve command of the Hudson River and demoralize Americans and their would-be allies, such as the French.

Scalping of Jane McCrea
Some historians today are unsure if her death came at Native American hands or by other means, but the murder of Jane McCrea united Americans against the British and their Native American allies.
In June 1777, Burgoyne's army of over 7,000 men (half of whom were British troops and the other half Hessian troops from Brunswick and Hesse-Hanau) departed from St. Johns on Lake Champlain, bound for Fort Ticonderoga, at the southern end of the lake.

As the army proceeded southward, Burgoyne drafted and had his men distribute a proclamation that, among other things, included the statement "I have but to give stretch to the Indian forces under my direction, and they amount to thousands," which implied that Britain's enemies would suffer attacks from Native Americans allied to the British.

More than any other act during the campaign, this threat and subsequent widely reported atrocities such as the scalping of JANE MCCREA stiffened the resolve of the Americans to do whatever it took to assure that the threat did not become realityThe American forces at Fort Ticonderoga recognized that once the British mounted artillery on high ground near the fort, Ticonderoga would be indefensible. A retreat from the Fort was ordered, and the Americans floated troops, cannon, and supplies across Lake Champlain to Mount Independence.

From there the army set out for HUBBARDTON where the British and German troops caught up with them and gave battle. Round one to the British.

Burgoyne continued his march towards Albany, but miles to the south a disturbing event occurred. Sir William Howe decided to attack the Rebel capital at Philadelphia rather than deploying his army to meet up with Burgoyne and cut off New England from the other Colonies. Meanwhile, as Burgoyne marched south, his supply lines from Canada were becoming longer and less reliable.
Debate Round No. 1
josh1273436

Pro

First off I thank you for responding so quickly. I understand that it was the turning point but I think it figuratively won them the war. First off you really don't make an argument in your long description of facts. Second, what you really miss is two big things. First off, Pretty much the entire british force was captured/killed. Finally, this brought the French into the war, effectively ending the advantage of the British.
clashofclans

Con

I think that the Battle of Saratoga in 1777 ended with British general John Burgoyne"s troops surrendering to the American rebel army commanded by General Horatio Gates. Historians have long seen Burgoyne"s defeat as a turning point in the American Revolution because it convinced France to join the war on the side of the colonies, thus ensuring American victory. But that traditional view of Saratoga overlooks the complexity of the situation on the ground. Setting the battle in its social and political context, Theodore Corbett examines Saratoga and its aftermath as part of ongoing conflicts among the settlers of the Hudson and Champlain valleys of New York, Canada, and Vermont. This long, more local view reveals that the American victory actually resolved very little.

In transcending traditional military history, Corbett examines the roles not only of enlisted Patriot and Redcoat soldiers but also of landowners, tenant farmers, townspeople, American Indians, Loyalists, and African Americans. He begins the story in the 1760s, when the first large influx of white settlers arrived in the New York and New England backcountry. Ethnic and religious strife marked relations among the colonists from the outset. Conflicting claims issued by New York and New Hampshire to the area that eventually became Vermont turned the skirmishes into a veritable civil war.
In conclusion
These pre-Revolution conflicts"which determined allegiances during the Revolution"were not affected by the military outcome of the Battle of Saratoga. After Burgoyne"s defeat, the British retained control of the upper Hudson-Champlain valley and mobilized Loyalists and Native allies to continue successful raids there even after the Revolution. The civil strife among the colonists continued into the 1780s, as the American victory gave way to violent strife amounting to class warfare. Corbett ends his story with conflicts over debt in Vermont, New Hampshire, and finally Massachusetts, where the sack of Stockbridge"part of Shays"s Rebellion in 1787"was the last of the civil disruptions that had roiled the landscape for the previous twenty years.
Debate Round No. 2
josh1273436

Pro

I really don't understand your argument in this big clump of facts. You really don't rebutt any of my points. The fact is that the French took out the German allies of the British, letting the Americans focus on the British forces. The British also lost a lot of soldiers, making their army very weak.
clashofclans

Con

clashofclans forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
josh1273436

Pro

josh1273436 forfeited this round.
clashofclans

Con

clashofclans forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by clashofclans 3 years ago
clashofclans
im back
What should i write?
Posted by josh1273436 3 years ago
josh1273436
ok
Posted by clashofclans 3 years ago
clashofclans
i didnt know
Posted by clashofclans 3 years ago
clashofclans
Really?
Posted by josh1273436 3 years ago
josh1273436
I didn't you challenged me
Posted by clashofclans 3 years ago
clashofclans
why did you challenge me?
Posted by josh1273436 3 years ago
josh1273436
I hope so, Thanks!
Posted by sengejuri 3 years ago
sengejuri
I love history debates, should be a good one!
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