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ournamestoolong
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Jaypeterson
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The Bible clearly states that homsexuality is morally wrong

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Started: 3/17/2009 Category: Religion
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ournamestoolong

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I believe my opponent has the burden of proof.
Jaypeterson

Pro

I would like to thank my opponent for such an interesting debate. I hope I don't offend anyone here who holds an entirely different perceptive on this issue.

There are a couple of verses in the Bible that show homosexuality is wrong. It clearly states that homosexuality is a sin, but people continue to alter these meanings into something they think is appropriate.

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

These verses are evident that homosexuality is condemned. It goes against our creator, God.
Debate Round No. 1
ournamestoolong

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"Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

This text is an example of why the bible can not be taken literally.

Lev. 16:23
"Then Aaron is to go into the Tent of Meeting and take off the linen garments he put on before he entered the Most Holy Place, and he is to leave them there. 24 He shall bathe himself with water in a holy place and put on his regular garments. Then he shall come out and sacrifice the burnt offering for himself and the burnt offering for the people, to make atonement for himself and for the people. 25 He shall also burn the fat of the sin offering on the altar."

From this we can deduce that wearing linen garments in a holy place is an abomination. This passage also sugests that people should sacrifice. The biblical definition of abomination is basically going against culture, which would be why there are so many (http://home.earthlink.net...)

"Lev. 20:13, If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

In the American Standard version of the Bible the quote is,
"And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Which is just another abomination. It is also promises death if you work on the sabbath. Now if a doctor saves a life on the sabbath, is that bad? Do they really deserve to be killed? Who would kill them? And with this there is no punishment concerning slavery.

"Cor. 6:9-10, Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Homosexuality long ago was different than homosexuality today. No one could imagine the monogamous relationships homosexuals have now. What Paul saw were polygamous relationships with different men and women. Today, homosexuality is much different.

"Rom. 1:26-28, For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

I think this argument is best summed up by a quote from a Philidelphia Inquirer forum

J. Nelson: "Paul didn't write it as a condemnation of homosexuality, but as a criticism of Greek behavior in temple worship. Greeks often incorporated sexual behavior in temple worship."

"These verses are evident that homosexuality is condemned. It goes against our creator, God."

I respectfully disagree.

Thank You.
Jaypeterson

Pro

Sorry for such a late reply; I have been really busy lately.

Genesis 19:1-11 tells us a story about Sodom and Gomorrah, which is a story of an attempted homosexual rape at Lot's house by the "wicked" men of Sodom. The homosexual intentions of the men of Sodom is considered "WICKED," which is on Verse 7. Therefore, Lot tried to let them have sex with his own two daughters. They stated that raping Lot's daughters is actually considered LESSER of the two evils. This clearly shows how homosexuality is morally wrong, because it is deemed by God that homosexuality is worse than RAPING a woman.

"Homosexuality long ago was different than homosexuality today. No one could imagine the monogamous relationships homosexuals have now. What Paul saw were polygamous relationships with different men and women. Today, homosexuality is much different."

What is the difference between monogamous and polygamous relationships in the eyes of God and why are we differentiating them. First of all, we still don't know if the Bible is telling us if polygamous relationships are immoral or not. These are some quotes that support polygamous relationships.
In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.
In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.
In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.
In Deuteronomy 21:15 "If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons...."
I know we are not debating on whether or not polygamous relationships are immoral or not, but I would just like to prove my point.

Thank you
Debate Round No. 2
ournamestoolong

Con

Thank you for your response.

"Genesis 19:1-11 tells us a story about Sodom and Gomorrah, which is a story of an attempted homosexual rape at Lot's house by the "wicked" men of Sodom. The homosexual intentions of the men of Sodom is considered "WICKED," which is on Verse 7. Therefore, Lot tried to let them have sex with his own two daughters. They stated that raping Lot's daughters is actually considered LESSER of the two evils. This clearly shows how homosexuality is morally wrong, because it is deemed by God that homosexuality is worse than RAPING a woman."

I don't carry that message from the text. I carry the message that rape, gay or straight, is wrong. The people who came to Sodom were in fact, angels who had come to Sodom to see if it should be destroyed. Sodom was a very rich community and people were afraid that travelers would steal their money. Laws were passed so that no one could help a traveler this time period, it was not unknown for men to rape their victims before killing them. Lot broke the law, so it is thought by many biblical scholars that Lot was sacrificing his daughters virginity for the life of these men. It said what the men were doing was wicked, because it was rape. (http://www.biblegateway.com...)

"What is the difference between monogamous and polygamous relationships in the eyes of God and why are we differentiating them. First of all, we still don't know if the Bible is telling us if polygamous relationships are immoral or not. These are some quotes that support polygamous relationships.
In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.
In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.
In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.
In Deuteronomy 21:15 "If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons...."
I know we are not debating on whether or not polygamous relationships are immoral or not, but I would just like to prove my point."

I said polygamous as a response to the scripture you posted. Homosexuality was practiced then different than it is today. In Rome, men would have sex with boys as a sign of supremacy. That scripture was a condemnation of homosexuality the way it was practiced along time ago.

Thank you.
Jaypeterson

Pro

Jaypeterson forfeited this round.
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Posted by ournamestoolong 7 years ago
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I'm surprised you didn't bring up the story of Sodom.
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