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seventyeight
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ThinkBig
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The Bible does not have contradictions

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Started: 12/11/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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seventyeight

Pro

My opponent must prove that the Bible contradicts itself.
ThinkBig

Con

Thanks for this debate. My opponent failed to provide any definitions so I will do so.

I. Definitions

A. The Bible: The 66 books of the Protestant Bible (not including apocrypha).

B. Contradiction: a logical incompatibility between two or more propositions (Wikipedia). With that, let's start.

II. Who was the Father of Joseph?

A. The father of Joseph was Jacob: Matthew 1:16 “and Jacob was the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.”

B. The father of Joseph was Heil. Luke 3:23 “Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli

Genealogy is very important. According to Jewish law, the father determines the tribal status of the child. For example, if the mother is from the Tribe of Judah and the father is from the tribe of Levi, the child is considered to be a Levi. However, the mother determines the Jewish status of the child. If the mother is not Jewish and the father is Jewish, then the child is not Jewish.

Christians claim that Jesus was the Messiah. According to the Prophets, the Messiah had to be a direct descendant of King David and also King Solomon (see II Samuel 7:16).

Luke’s genealogy goes through Nathan, not Solomon. Thus, if Luke’s genealogy is correct, then Jesus is not the Messiah.
The genealogies have even more problems as you continue and they contradict even the Old Testament's genealogies.

Contradiction 2: Where was Jacob burried?

A. In a cave at Machpelah: Gen. 50:13, "for his sons carried him to the land of Canaan and buried him in the cave of the field at Machpelah, to the east of Mamre, which Abraham bought with the field from Ephron the Hittite to possess as a burying place."

B. In a sepulchre at Sychem: Acts 7:15-16, "And Jacob went down into Egypt, and he died, he and our fathers, 16 and they were carried back to Shechem and laid in the tomb that Abraham had bought for a sum of silver from the sons of Hamor in Shechem."

There are actually two contradictions here. One is dealing with where the patriarchs were burried, the other one is who the tombs were bought from.

Contradiction 3: The date of Jesus' birth

As Paul Carlson notes: "According to Matthew, Jesus was born during the reign of Herod the Great (Matthew 2:1). According to Luke, Jesus was born during the first census in Israel, while Quirinius was governor of Syria (Luke 2:2). This is impossible because Herod died in March of 4 BC and the census took place in 6 and 7 AD, about 10 years after Herod's death." (http://infidels.org...)


Conclusion

Going back to the definition of a contradiction, it is clear the Bible contradicts itself. One of these propositions has to be false which negates the resolution.

Vote con.
Debate Round No. 1
seventyeight

Pro

I haven't had time to post my rebuttal yet,so i will next time.
Debate Round No. 2
seventyeight

Pro

1Who was the father of Joseph?

"And Jacob begat Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ."-Matthew 1:16
(all bible verses will be the King James version.)

Jacob is Joseph's father,the genealogy in the book of Matthew goes through Solomon,and fulfills the propecies of the old testament.The book of Matthew uses the word "begat",which means to procreate or produce offspring.

"And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, (being, as we supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of heli,"-Luke 3:23

In Luke's genealogy the word 'son' is used instead of 'begat'.You can be someone's son and not be blood-related.For example at the end of Luke's genealogy in 'Luke 3:38'it says,"Seth,which was the son of adam,which was the son of God."Adam is called the son of God.But they are not blood-related.
Luke uses Mary's genealogy in his book,and that's is why the names are different than those in Matthew's genealogy where he uses Joseph's genealogy.

2. Where was Jacob buried?
Jacob was buried in the cave of Machpelah,like the book of Genesis says.In the book of Acts it says"and our fathers" not including Jacob were carried over to sychem.

3. When was jesus born?
Some scholars believe Herod died in 4 b.c. and others believe it was 1 b.c..Its was proven when Herod died.Since these are sources outside of the Bible,this argument is not allowed,as stated in the title of the debate."The bible does not contradict ITSELF."
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Posted by seventyeight 1 year ago
seventyeight
It is not proven when herod died.
Posted by PsionicTurtle 1 year ago
PsionicTurtle
Rjupudi18 that's really quite funny.

Here, read this
http://thoughtcatalog.com...
Posted by Rjupudi18 1 year ago
Rjupudi18
Good luck to anyone who accepts this debate. Trust me, you'll not find a single verse in the entire Bible that contradicts another. It is not possible for the Bible to self-contradict because it was written by one Author: God.
Posted by ThinkBig 1 year ago
ThinkBig
Will make my opening statements tomorrow.
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