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The Bible is Peaceful.

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Started: 9/30/2016 Category: Religion
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I am Pro, you are Con.
Round 1: Acceptance.
Round 2: Opening Arguements.
Round 3: Rebuttals.
Round 4: 2nd Argument and Rebuttals.
Round 5: Closing Arguments.
Rules: Use proper grammar, be polite, and debate with dignity.


I accept this opportunity.
Debate Round No. 1


Hello, and thanks for accepting.
Bible - the Christian scriptures, consisting of the 66 books of the Old and New Testaments.
Now, let's examine the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, the central figure of the Bible. Jesus was a prime example of peace and love throughout his life. He healed the sick, gave sight to the blind, healed the deaf, and gave food to the poor.
Is this not peace? Consider this group of verses:
Romans 12:17-21
17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God"s wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. 20 On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
This tells anyone to not seek to enact vengeance on their rivals, but to show them love, warmth, and kindness. Do not succumb to temptation, but use your faith in God to overcome temptation.
Next, let's examine this short story of Jesus feeding the Five Thousand:
John 6:1-14New International Version (NIV)

Jesus Feeds the Five Thousand
6 Some time after this, Jesus crossed to the far shore of the Sea of Galilee (that is, the Sea of Tiberias), 2 and a great crowd of people followed him because they saw the signs he had performed by healing the sick. 3 Then Jesus went up on a mountainside and sat down with his disciples. 4 The Jewish Passover Festival was near.

5 When Jesus looked up and saw a great crowd coming toward him, he said to Philip, "Where shall we buy bread for these people to eat?" 6 He asked this only to test him, for he already had in mind what he was going to do.

7 Philip answered him, "It would take more than half a year"s wages[a] to buy enough bread for each one to have a bite!"

8 Another of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter"s brother, spoke up, 9 "Here is a boy with five small barley loaves and two small fish, but how far will they go among so many?"

10 Jesus said, "Have the people sit down." There was plenty of grass in that place, and they sat down (about five thousand men were there). 11 Jesus then took the loaves, gave thanks, and distributed to those who were seated as much as they wanted. He did the same with the fish.

12 When they had all had enough to eat, he said to his disciples, "Gather the pieces that are left over. Let nothing be wasted." 13 So they gathered them and filled twelve baskets with the pieces of the five barley loaves left over by those who had eaten.

14 After the people saw the sign Jesus performed, they began to say, "Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world."

I this not peaceful?

I would argue that the central rigure of the Bible, Jesus, and his life, is a valid reason why the Bible promotes peace.

Thanks, and God bless.


Hello again, let me start off by saying that I'm Muslim so that you understand my POV. I assume you believe that Jesus Christ is God himself, so we could conclude (according to your beliefs) that when God ordered Moses to kill all the women, men and male children that it was Jesus Christ giving that order.

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. "But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. "And you, camp outside the camp seven days; whoever has killed any person and whoever has touched any slain, purify yourselves, you and your captives, on the third day and on the seventh day. (Numbers 31:17-19)

According to the Bible most Christians should be killed because of one simple law.

For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. (Exodus 31:15)
Verse 8-9 make the prohibition.

We know Christianity is a reformed religion with continuous changes and corruption, but the law of the LORD is perfect. That doesn't make sense.
The law of the LORD is perfect, restoring the soul; The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. (Psalm 19:7)

The Bible even orders us to kill non-believers explicitly throughout the book, even if this non-believer is your own son, daughter or brother.

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods "do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12) Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases"you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)

If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the LORD gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the LORD your God in violation of his covenant, and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars of the sky" Take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chron 15:12-13)

The Bible also orders people to stone anyone who curses their parents.
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:9)

What about adultery?
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife - with the wife of his neighbor - both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10)

Same applies to homosexuality.
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:13)

Jesus Christ himself said that he didn't come with peace in the Bible.

Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn"A man against his father,a daughter against her mother,a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A man"s enemies will be the members of his own household." (Matthew 10:34-36)

This is repeated in a more violent way in Luke.

"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law." (Luke 12:49-53)

So what we understand from Jesus is that the Bible is definitely not a book of peace, but a book of the sword. Either Jesus didn't come with peace or he's lying.

The Bible allows slavery in a horrible way, this is why Christian nations allowed slavery for so long.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21)

Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly . (Leviticus Chapter 25:44)

That servant who knows his master"s will but does not get ready or follow his instructions will be beaten with many blows. (Luke 12:47)

Jesus who is God according to you also cursed a tree because it wasn't the season of the fruit.

The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it. (Mark 11:12-14)
So instead of making the tree grow, he curses it.

Jesus apparently also strikes children to death.
"So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. (Revelation 2:22-23)"
This means actual children. Proof that this refers to children:

Jesus also ordered his followers to buy swords, adding to the what he said coming with a sword and not with peace.
"He said to them, 'But now if you have a purse, take it and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. (Luke 22:36)"

The OT gives us some more insight on nonsensical violence.
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. (Deuteronomy 20:16)

Jesus also wanted to see executions happen in front of him.
(Luke 19:27) "And these enemies of mine who were unwilling for me to rule over them, bring them here and slay them in front of me."

What is the punishment for having sex with animals.
If a man has sex with an animal, he must be put to death, and the animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15)

It is common sense that there is a death penalty for this, but the Bible also commands us to kill the animal. Why?

The Bible tells us that daughters of priests who perform fornication should be burned to death.
Also the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by harlotry, she profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire. (Leviticus 21:9)

No comment here.
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18)

Instead of telling us to ask for forgiveness, Jesus tells us to destroy ourselves.
If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. (Matthew 18:7-9)

Women are not allowed to teach men. This means that female teachers are not allowed according to the Bible.
Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. (1 Timothy 2)

God orders to kill men, women, children and animals.
"Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." (1 Samuel 15:3)

The Bible is a book of destruction. That's what I understand from the book.
Debate Round No. 2


First, let me just say that your Old Testament claims do not apply to us. They only applied to the country of Israel (way back then) and the law was passed by God to the Canaanites who were evil people.
This should sum it up pretty well:
Christianity does not advocate killing or murdering non-Christians on the basis of their unbelief. The Christian God has commanded disciples of the religion to go into all the world and preach the gospel, baptizing everyone (Matthew 28:19) in the name of Jesus Christ (or, the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost).

However, since the fifth century when St. Augustine of Hippo laid out the principles of Just War, the church has taught that it is OK to kill in defense of those who cannot defend themselves. In that sense, then, it would apply to the question at hand in this manner: If a non-believing sect (religious or secular) attempts to bully children, women, or another class of people who cannot defend themselves then it is an act of justice to violently oppose this bullying through warfare with these provisos:

The war is waged through a legitimate authority, such as a nation with a military power and not simply as a gang of rogue mercenaries;
and the central motive or end aim must be to re-establish peace.

St. Thomas Aquinas further expounded upon St. Augustine's Just War doctrine and added some of his own tenets such as:

Must be waged as a last resort
Can be waged to redress a wrong suffered
Must have a reasonable chance of success
Violence of war must be proportional to the injury being redressed
Weapons must be used on combatants, not non-combatants

Again, the end result should always be to re-establish peace.

Old Testament passages that deal with God's commands to the Jews to kill members of the surrounding cultures must be seen in the proper light in order to understand and ascertain their meaning. It might seem unjust to casual observers some thousands of years removed, but understand that the nature of the world at that time was much more brutally violent than in our own times. Many cultures would kill for the sheer joy of it, for the sake of dominance. And their weapons were much more primitive and death was painful.

God commanded the Jews to take over the land that would become Israel and to kill all the members of the cultures that resided there. The purpose was to establish spiritual purity. The surrounding cultures would have corrupted the Jews and God wanted them to remain true to his Commandments. Of course, they disobeyed him and didn't kill all the women, children, and animals as he commanded and the surrounding cultures corrupted them.

Most Christian theologians interpret those Old Testament verses to be "types" that foreshadow the Christian's commitment to spiritual purity. God does not expect the Christian to kill everyone who doesn't believe. Rather, he expects the Christian to take a harsh approach to sin in his own personal life - to "kill" it. That is, the Christian is to reject anything that leads him to sin against God's Commandments. To unbelievers he is supposed to show grace and offer mercy.

Jesus" sword was never a literal one. In fact, when Peter took up a sword to defend Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus rebuked him and told him to put away his sword, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword" (Matthew 26:52). Why then, did Jesus say, "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." What kind of sword did Jesus come to bring? As a result of His visit to the earth, some children would be set against parents and a man"s enemies might be those within his own household. This is because many who choose to follow Christ are hated by their family members. This may be part of the cost of discipleship, for love of family should not be greater than love for the Lord. A true disciple must take up his cross and follow Jesus (Matthew 16:24). He must be willing to face not only family hatred, but also death, like a criminal carrying his cross to his own execution. True followers of Christ must be willing to give up, even to the point of "hating" all that is in our lives, even our own families, if we are to be worthy of Him (Matthew 10:37"39). In so doing, we find our lives in return for having given them up to Jesus Christ.

Jesus purpose : Jesus put it this way in Luke 19:10: "The Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost." Jesus had just been criticized for going to the house of a "sinner." Jesus responded by affirming His mission was to save people who needed saving. Their reputation for sinfulness was not a reason to avoid them; rather, it was a reason to seek them out. Many times during Christ"s ministry, He sought to forgive those whom the self-righteous leaders of the day shunned. He sought out and saved the woman at the well and the Samaritans of her town (John 4:39"41), the sinful woman with the alabaster jar (Luke 7:37), and even one of His own disciples, Matthew, who had been a tax collector (Matthew 9:9).All through the Gospels, we see Jesus call to repentance and forgive the worst of sinners. No one is too sinful to come to Him. In fact, He goes after those who are lost, as the parables of the lost sheep and lost coin show (Luke 15:1"10). In the story of the prodigal son, Jesus teaches that God will always welcome with open arms those who come to Him with a repentant heart (Luke 15:21"22; cf. Isaiah 57:15). Even today, Jesus continues to seek and save those who humbly place their faith in Him (Matthew 11:29; 18:3"4; Revelation 3:20).

His ultimate gift was dying for our sins.

Yes God orders to kill but in what context? The final marching orders of the bible is peace. God commands to kill others after they have sinned and they are being used as an instrument of God. The caaanites were evil and were given ample time to repent.
In response to your accusation that the Bible is anti- woman, read this:
Just to clarify, the Bible contains a lot of metaphors.
a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable.

Now, when it says to "cut off thy hand" and what have you in Matthew, you have to understand that was a metaphor. He meant that worldly attachments, friendships, and employments of any kind that cannot be pursued without leading us into sin, be they ever so dear to us, must be abandoned, or the soul will be lost.
" It is better for you to enter life maimed."Again, metaphor. Not that there will be any such thing, as upon the resurrection, going into heaven without a limb; for the words are to be understood, not literally, but figuratively. And the sense is, it is better to part with everything here, that is detrimental to a man's doing, or enjoying, what is spiritually good, and enter into eternal life.
And in response to your nonsensical claim that "Jesus kills children" I would argue that based on the source you gave me, it's credibility is already weakened.
You must understand the context, the extensive use of metaphors, and the time period. Jesus came to heal the relationship with God and humans, to fulfill the covenant. Jesus Christ, who I'm surprised you've portrayed as such a criminal, considering he's a big prophet within Islam, promoted peace throughout his entire life.
Thank you, and I look forward to your reply.


Your first statement about Christians not following the OT is true and false at the same time.
Christians today don't follow anything of the OT. This is not what Jesus told us to do though, in fact Jesus tells us the opposite.
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. (Matthew 5:17) The law he is referring to is the Torah.

On top of that, you still believe it's the word of God and so therefore these events still happened even if the OT doesn't apply to you.
Matthew 28:19 was added later and is a corruption. That's according to Eusebius.

The Bible is definitely sexist.
women are to be silent in the churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they wish to inquire about something, they are to ask their own husbands at home; for it is dishonorable for a woman to speak in the church. (1 Corinthians 34-35)
When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets (Deuteronomy 25:11)
"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11:8-9)
"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

You're basically claiming that the only way the Jews of Israel could establish "Spiritual purity" is by committing genocide and mass murder? Well that's definitely no surprise with what we see from the Israeli side of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
People should also apparently be killed because they are sinners, so what the Israelites do is destroy an entire city, kill the inhabitants of that city and slaughter the cattle with the sword. Read Deuteronomy 13.

The narration of the sword is repeated in Luke, but in a more gruesome manner.
49 I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. (Luke 12:49-51)
There is no peace, he says that he came to bring fire on earth and not peace. So whatever you may call it, it's not peace.
Now you can make your apologist claims saying that sword actually means peace by whatever, even though he explicitly said that he didn't come with peace. It doesn't change the "(biblical) fact" that Jesus didn't come with peace.

I am not saying that Jesus is a criminal or a bad man. I am speaking as if I'm an agnostic directly using the Bible to come to a conclusion.
Debate Round No. 3


Hey, just thought I'd let you know, something came up and I don't have time for a debate now. Just thought it'd be polite instead of leaving you hanging.


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Posted by Confucius1 3 weeks ago
Not rules it's something a logical person who wants to understand will consider
Posted by Zaephou 3 weeks ago
Confucicus - applying rules within the set to the set itself is something you cannot do.
Posted by vi_spex 3 weeks ago
i am aware you people think this is a kinder garden club, this is demonstrate to extreme obviusness by your total lack of skills
Posted by vi_spex 3 weeks ago
you were talking about earth

life being nature, there is no, before life
Posted by vi_spex 3 weeks ago
truth is good, work on lying less or burn in afro satans hell
Posted by Politics2016 3 weeks ago
Vi_Spex, I highly recommend you work on your manners, as well as your grammar.
Posted by Confucius1 3 weeks ago
But everything that exist has a cause it has a purpose and therefore the universe and therefore God.
Posted by vi_spex 3 weeks ago
your keyboard cant handle this kind of drivel friend
Posted by vi_spex 3 weeks ago
and you are still doling out non sense as if you are aware of some explanation or solution
Posted by vi_spex 3 weeks ago
nature is not a machine or a construct, not intended
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