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Started: 9/23/2011 Category: Religion
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Since many "prophets" who wrote in the Bible, there are also many contradictions. For example,
Which first--beasts or man?
GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

The number of beasts in the ark

GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

How many stalls and horsemen?

1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

Is it folly to be wise or not?
PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

Human vs. ghostly impregnation

ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

The sins of the father

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.


Which first--beasts or man?
GEN 1:25-26 is discussing the pre-adamic race before God created Adam and Eve; this explains where Cain got his wife, whom he was afraid would kill him when made a fugitive in the earth, the rise of a city in just two generations after Adam, and how to avoid the problem of God using incest to populate the earth. Please see my debate on this issue. When correctly understood, the accounts are not in conflict.

The number of beasts in the ark

Gen 6:13-22 is discussing "before" Noah built the ark, hence, a paring of two of each unclean and two fo each clean animal. Gen 7:1-10 is discussing the last 7 days before the flood, hence, the paring changes to seven clean and two unclean. But note, Gen 7:9 is not discussing how many of each type of animal when into the ark, but rather, the marching order in which they went - by twos. Hence, while there may be seven unclean lions and sevent unclean pigs, they were "paired" in "twos" and that is how all the animals went into the ark.

How many stalls and horsemen?

The Hebrew numbers for forty and four are quite close, so this could just be a scribal error. (1Kings 4:26 2Chon 9:25) The Septuagint states the possible correct amount as being 4,000 in both verses, and since this is older than the Hebrew Mesoretic Text, is based on a even earlier Hebrew text type, and is used by the first century Christians, we can be confident the original was 4, 000. To see how easily a scribal error could be committed, just look at how close the Hebrew for 40 is to the Hebrew for 4; 40 ארבּעים is an old copyist's error for ארבּעה. Scibal errors do not show that the Bible writer orginally contradicted himself, but rather that a scribe mistranslated his work in a minor way.

Is it folly to be wise or not?
Even though we should acquire Godly wisdom (and common sense) and undestanding (Pro 4:7), this in no way contadicts the fact there are other types of wisdom which while also good, God will destroy (not in the sense of innihilate, but) in the sense of show them inferior to his gospel. (1 Cor 1:19-21) The intellectual wisdom of the world did not cause them to know God, it was the simplicity of the Gospel which drew men to him. As for Ecclesiastes 1:18. verse 1 shows clearly Solomon was giving his own opinion, and he could have been wrong. If he was, this doesn't mean the Bible contradicts itself. This isn't God saying this or agreeing with what Solomon says. But there is a possibility, given the context in which it is found, that Solomon was just saying that if like him - we think about the fact that none of the wisdom he had though so great - could prevent him from dying, and some idiot who didn't work hard for it will take everyithing from under him, and maybe ruin it, it brings sadness. Wisdom shows the reality of this cruel world, and reduces engagement in wishful thinking.

Human vs. ghostly impregnation
It's altogether possible that since we don't know Mary's geneaology, that she was a physical descendant of David, and since we don't have her geneaology, we can't prove she wasn't. If she way, then Jesus was in deed from the seed of David according to the flesh.

The sins of the father
Ture, as Deuteronomy 24:26 says, children should not die for the sins of their parents. But they sure should die for their fathers sins in the case of those who imitate their fathers in hating God. This was the law. (Exo 20:5) So Isaiah 14:21, in the context of Jewish law, is unishing the children for being like their father and hence they must be enemies of God.
Debate Round No. 1


How about these?
How orderly were things created?
#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three "days."
#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

How satisfied with creation was he?
#1: God says "it was good" after each of his labors, and rests on the seventh day, evidently very satisfied.
#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

Moses' personality

NUM 12:3: "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the fact of the earth."

NUM 31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves."

Righteous live?

PSA 92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."

ISA 57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."

ACT 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."

MAT 27:5-7: "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them the potter's field."

Jesus' first sermon plain or mount?

MAT 5:1,2: "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying...."

LUK 6:17,20: "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..."

Jesus' last words

MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

Years of famine

II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?

I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;

Moved David to anger?

II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.


In two places in the New Testament the genealogy of Jesus son of Mary is mentioned. MAT 1:6-16 and LUK 3:23-31. Each gives the ancestors of Joseph the CLAIMED husband of Mary and Step father of Jesus. The first one starts from Abraham(verse 2) all the way down to Jesus. The second one from Jesus all the way back to Adam. The only common name to these two lists between David and Jesus is JOSEPH, How can this be true? and also How can Jesus have a genealogy when all Muslims and most Christians believe that Jesus had/has no father.

God be seen?

EXO 24:9,10; AMO 9:1; GEN 26:2; and JOH 14:9
God CAN be seen:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (EXO 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30)

God CANNOT be seen:
"No man hath seen God at any time." (JOH 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1TIM 6:16)


"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (JER 13:14) "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."

"The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy." (JAS 5:11)
"For his mercy endureth forever." (1CH 16:34)
"The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works." (PSA 145:9)
"God is love." (1JO 4:16)


"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (GEN 22:1)

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13)

Judas died how?

"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (MAT 27:5)

"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (ACT 1:18)

Ascend to heaven

"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2KI 2:11)

"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (JOH 3:13)

What was Jesus' prediction regarding Peter's denial?

Before the cock crow - MAT 26:34

Before the cock crow twice - MAR 14:30


It seems my opponent has droped every last one of his round 1 arguments, so I guess they are refuted to his satisfaction? Vote Con.

How orderly were things created? Very orderly in the pre-Adamic era, not so orderly with Adam and Eve - two separate events, hence, no contradiction.

How satisfied with creation was he? Very satisfied with the pre-Admic creation; no record of how he felt about Adam and Eve - two separate events, hence, no contradiction. A contradiction is two things that can't be true at the same time, but since Adam and Eve came "after" the 7 days in Gen 1:1-2:3, we have no conflict.
Moses' personality

Num 12:3: says Moses was "meek," which means "humble, teachable," which doesn't conflict with one's ability to get very angry at times as in Num 31:14, 17, 18. Millions of humble persons, people who recognize their limitations, are very agressive when it comes to war. This isn't a contradiction; these qualities exists simultaneously in people today!

Psalm 92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree," that is, they flourish spiritually during their lifetime which is obvious from verses 13-15 which says they will tell about the Lord in their old age; this doesn't contradict the fact that they will die at some point, and when they do, people in general don't take it to heart. (Isa 57:1) They say sweet words at the funeral and move on with their lives.

As for Judas, its very possiblel Judas hanged himself from a tree whose branches reached out over a cliff. Either the rope or branch broke, and his body bounced off some lower portuding bracnches which put him in a headlong plunge into the rocks below.

Where was Jesus' first sermon, plain or mount? Neither account says anything about this being his "first sermon." They were probably two different sermons with similar content. Matt 4:23 indicates that before this Jesus had already done lots of speaking. It is not at all uncommon for a preacher to preach similar sermons at different times and with different audiences, now is it? Notice how the order and content differs between Matt 7:1-29 and Luke 6:37-49 implying these are two separate sermons - one in he mount, one in the plain.

As for Jesus' last words, Matt 27:46,50; Luke 23:46 and John 19:30 only show that Jesus said these things shortly before he died, each account only mentioning certain things he uttered before his death; but none of these verse actually claim that these were Jesus "last" words. So far as we know, the Gospels do not tell us what his "last" words were.

Years of famine: Here a variation is found between the Samuel and Chronicles accounts. Whereas 2�Samuel 24:13 says seven years of famine, 1�Chronicles 21:12 says three. The Greek Septuagint reads "three" in the Samuel account, and since this is older and more reliable than the Hebrew Mesoretic text, I believe it could be a scribal error. However, one alternative explanation is that the seven years referred to at Second Samuel would, in part, be an extension of the three years of famine that came because of the sin of Saul and his house against the Gibeonites. (2Sa 21:1,�2) The current year (the registration took 9 months and 20 days [2Sa 24:8]) would be the fourth, and three years to come would make seven. Although the difference may have been due to a copyist's error, it may be said again that a full knowledge of all the facts and circumstances should be had before one reaches such a conclusion.

Who moved David to anger? 2 Sam 24:1 is better translated as, "For one moved David against them." In this case, the numbering of the people was the cause of God's anger, not the result. After all, without this interpretation, it is not clear why God was angry with Israel. The Hebrew text doesn't actually say that "God" moved David against them.

How could the lineages of Joseph be different in Matthew and Luke? The difference in nearly all the names in Luke's genealogy of Jesus as compared with Matthew's is quickly resolved in the fact that Luke traced the line through David's son Nathan, instead of Solomon as did Matthew. (Lu 3:31; Mt 1:6,�7) Luke evidently follows the ancestry of Mary, thus showing Jesus' natural descent from David, while Matthew shows Jesus' legal right to the throne of David by descent from Solomon through Joseph, who was legally Jesus' father. So Heli, called Joseph's father by Luke, is really his father-in-law, the father of Mary. Regarding the genealogies of Jesus given by Matthew and by Luke, Frederic Louis Godet wrote: "This study of the text in detail leads us in this way to admit—1. That the genealogical register of Luke is that of Heli, the grandfather of Jesus; 2.�That, this affiliation of Jesus by Heli being expressly opposed to His affiliation by Joseph, the document which he has preserved for us can be nothing else in his view than the genealogy of Jesus through Mary. But why does not Luke name Mary, and why pass immediately from Jesus to His grandfather? Ancient sentiment did not comport with the mention of the mother as the genealogical link. Among the Greeks a man was the son of his father, not of his mother; and among the Jews the adage was: ‘Genus matris non vocatur genus ["The descendant of the mother is not called (her) descendant"]' (‘Baba bathra,' 110, a)."—Commentary on Luke, 1981, p. 129.

The other differences occur because the writers had theological reasons for omitting names; for example the omission in Matthew of three kings of David's line between Jehoram and Uzziah (Azariah) is because Jehoram married wicked Athaliah of the house of Ahab, the daughter of Jezebel, thereby bringing this God-condemned strain into the line of the kings of Judah. (1Ki 21:20-26; 2Ki 8:25-27) Naming Jehoram as first in the wicked alliance, Matthew omits the names of the next three kings to the fourth generation, Ahaziah, Jehoash, and Amaziah, the fruits of the alliance.—Compare Mt 1:8 with 1Ch 3:10-12. There are also scribal errors that account for some of the problems in Luke, and certain individuals were known by more than one name. When factors like these are considered it brings harmony to the geneaologies.

God be seen? Yes, men have seen God in the flesh, but not in his true nature as he is. God is a Spirit (John 4:24), thus is invisible to human eyes (1 Tim 1:17), so men can only see him in vision or when he takes a physical form. So what they are seeing in one sense isn't God, that is, divinity; but on the other hand, they are seeing the person called God. So in one case we can't see the divine nature (God), in the other we can see the person (God). The key is that the wod "God" doesn't always mean the same thing. In John 1:1 the Word was with "God," the word "God" here being a synonym for God the Father (a person), and the Word was God (that is, the same "nature" as the Father, but wasn't the Father himself). So it means a person in one case and a nature in the next.

As for God's qualities, even individual humans today possess all the qualities laid out here by my opponent. These are different aspects of the same personality which can coexist without conflicting with each other. God "will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy" all those unrepentant ones he finds worthy of such (Jer 13:14), and be "very pitiful and of tender mercy." (Jas 5:11) towards those who repent sincerely and don't deserve this treatment. God reads the heart and sees who deserves mercy and who doesn't.

The Hebrew and Greek words translated "tempted" also mean "tested." God "tested" Abraham, he didn't tempt him, hence no contradiction; and the test God gave Abaham was not an "evil" thing, hence does not violate James 1:13 in any way. The Greek word for "ascended" at John 3:13 means to "ascend on one's own power," Elijah didn't do this but was brought; there are many heavens - says who 2 Kings 2:11 mean the same one in John 3:13? As for the cock crowing, Jesus made both statements; both are true.
Debate Round No. 2


MightyBrain1000 forfeited this round.


Since my opponent has forfeited and I have refuted all his so-called contradictions in the Bible, vote Con.
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