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The Bible is the most important book of all time

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Solarman1969

Pro

Ok mr atheist

lets have at it

you like to diss Christians and the Bible as meaningless

I say that Christ , and the Bible, and peoples faith in God, and morality are INCREDIBLY important

And to totally crush your pathetic attempts to paint the Bible as "no more important that the Farmers Almanac" which is incredibly ridiculous, I am going to show you , and anyone here who cares to read this important debate, should you have the guts to take it on, that indeed the Bible is not only the most printed and widely distributed book in the history of Mankind, but it is still the MOST IMPORTANT

I will start with some words of wisdom ,just for starters, to already get you on your heels, like the Patriots coming out and scoring three touchdowns in the first quarter.

The imporant point here is you AVID atheists, you ACLU types, in your earnest efforts to rid our country of the faith in God that it was fouded on, our rights being derived from GOD, NOT MAN, is destroying this nation.

First , for fun, I am going to compare sayings of the Buddha and Jesus. This is becuase I am certain that Christ traveled to India from age 16-33, when there is no record of his life, and learned about the Buddhas teachings.

The Buddha (IMO) is the wisest man ever to live, and Christ having learned from him and bringing that wisdom with him back to Jerusalem is part in parcel why he is revered as the increible wise savior that he is to MILLIONS around the world.

All of Jesus words are directly quoted from the Bible, and are some of the most pithy saying contained therein

Buddha: They agreed among themselves, friends, here comes the recluse, Gotama, who lives luxuriously, who gives up his striving and reverted to luxury.

Jesus: The son of humanity came eating and drinking and they said look a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.

Buddha: With the relinquishing of all thought and egotism, the enlightened one is liberated through not clinging.

Jesus: Those who want to save their life will loose it. Those who loose their live for my sake will save it.

Buddha: One is the way to gain, the other is the way to Nirvana, knowing this fact, students of the Buddha should not take pleasure in being honored, but, should practice detachment.

Jesus: No slave can serve two masters For a slave will either hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.

Buddha: Just as a mother would protect her only child at the risk of her own life, even so, cultivate a boundless heart towards all beings. Let your thoughts of boundless love pervade the whole world.

Jesus: This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. No one has greater love than this, to lay down one's life for one's friends

Buddha: If you do not tend to one another then who is there to tend to you? Whoever who would tend me, he should tend the sick.

Jesus: Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these, so you have done it unto me.

Buddha: Consider others as yourself.

Jesus: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Buddha: One who acts on truth is happy, in this world and beyond.

Jesus: You will know the truth and the truth will make you free.

Buddha:Hatred do not ever cease in this world by hating, but by love; this is an eternal truth... Overcome anger by love, Overcome evil by good. overcome the miser by giving, overcome the liar by truth.

Jesus: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. From anyone who takes away your coat do not withhold even your shirt. Give to everyone who begs from you; and if anyone takes away your goods, do not ask for them again.

CHRISTMAS BLESSING

Since it is Christmas eve, I will quote some lovely verses about Jesus' birth

I dont care if you beleive in them or not- they are beautiful

"So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was lying in the manger. When they had seen him, they spread the word concerning what had been told them about this child, and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them. But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart. The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, which were just as they had been told."- Luke 2:16-20

The Birth of Jesus Christ (Matthew 1)

18This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. 19Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.
20But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[c] because he will save his people from their sins."

22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"[d]—which means, "God with us."

24When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

Matthew 1:21 (New International Version)

21She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[a] because he will save his people from their sins."

Praise to God for a Living Hope

3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

Well thats it for now

lets see if you have the guts to debate a real scholar on this subject, ardent atheist boy!

Instead of just smearing the good Christians of the world as the rest of the scum liberal socialist media do

MERRY CHRISTMAS !

SOLARMAN
Tatarize

Con

Let's be clear about several things first. I said that there simply isn't much in the way of wisdom in the Bible. A few bits here and there, but for the most part if you open the book to a random page you'll more likely find somebody being killed than some wisdom staring back at you. I never said meaningless, just lacking in the meaning you seem to want apt to give it. I said the Bible is not filled with wisdom on every page. This statement, is acceptable by anybody who has read the books of the Bible, or even just some part of the begats.

As for the things you say are "INCREDIBLY important" I will accept that morality is important. However, I don't believe that has anything to do with religion. Religion and morality have about as much to do with each other as eye color and eye sight.

I said that the Poor Richard's Almanack had more wisdom. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Early to bed, early to rise, makes a man healthy wealthy and wise. In fact, if they followed Poor Richard's they might have better advice as far as religion goes: "God helps those who help themselves."

You pull a bizarre theory out of your hind-end about Jesus running away to India and learning about the Buddha. First off, no. Secondly, hell no. Finally, the fact that you can find equally wise fragments in the teachings of the Buddha is evidence for my original claim: there's no special amazing wisdom in the Bible. In fact, you're going to a lot of trouble to claim that Jesus was a plagiarizing fool. The first is a description in contrast to the one of John the Baptist. The next few are the extremely widely known ones, great commandment, few bits from the sermon on the mount, the golden rule. Okay, you've cited .001% of the Bible, and already needed to go for the bits everybody knows! On top of that there are some just bad advice in there: Don't be a slave to two masters? How about don't own slaves? That could have saved us a civil war.

I never said their weren't good bits. I said that they weren't original and they weren't frequent. You cited the three bits everybody knows as your evidence against this, and on top of that cited them with similar quotes from an outside source which predates the Christian gospels? Which case are you trying to make here, the Bible is an important book or that the teachings of Buddha are more important and Jesus was just a wisdom thief?

"The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, which were just as they had been told." - Oddly enough, this is the reason the Witnesses don't celebrate Christmas, it is too cold to have sheep out during December.

>>"Instead of just smearing the good Christians of the world as the rest of the scum liberal socialist media do"

I confine my words to religion. And in this case, I was pointing out that the Bible had infrequent bits of wisdom and they weren't original. That point is one you aptly proved by picking out all the main bits and showing how the Buddha had them first.

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Somehow you pretend I made a number of claims that I clearly did not and attack a straw man. Not only a straw man, but you attacked my statement with a good argument in favor of the statement.

Aside from your odd sort of rant, there are several clear problems with your argument. First, the Bible is a set of books, not a book. You are confusing the Bible with Christianity. Throughout most of Christian history the Bible was unreadable by the common people. It wasn't until Martin Luther that anybody outside of the priests got access to the book. Certainly there's an argument to be made that Christianity is a major force in world history. You seem to just be ranting against straw men of things I never argued and proving original case at the same time.

You seem to argue that the teachings of the Buddha are more important then the Bible.

I would argue that Origin of Species (origin of Biology), Principia (origin of Physics), On the Spirit of Laws (origin of modern democracies), and the dictionary are all extremely important in real and demonstrative ways. The Bible, as seen today, is more of a concept than a book. I mean, if you had read the Bible, and took what is in the Bible to be the meaning of the Bible we wouldn't be having this debate. The concept that the Bible is this all-wise source of wisdom and ethics is the myth I was trying to correct. It's not a book, it's a collection of books and a lot of them aren't very good. The good bits are few and far between. The importance of the Bible isn't as a book, it's as a concept. Actually reading the book is a great path to atheism. However, using the book as a rallying call for Christianity is important. Frankly, for all the importance you put on the book and has been put on the book, it could be blank. For most of history nobody was able to read, for much more of it they weren't allowed to read, and nowadays those who do go to great lengths to avoid vast tracts of the Bible.

Let me put this into perspective. Randomly chosen (each book given a number using a script give me a random number between the two, then a random number between the different chapters), 1 Chronicles 25:

25:1 Moreover David and the captains of the host separated to the service of the sons of Asaph, and of Heman, and of Jeduthun, who should prophesy with harps, with psalteries, and with cymbals: and the number of the workmen according to their service was:
25:2 Of the sons of Asaph; Zaccur, and Joseph, and Nethaniah, and Asarelah, the sons of Asaph under the hands of Asaph, which prophesied according to the order of the king.
25:3 Of Jeduthun: the sons of Jeduthun; Gedaliah, and Zeri, and Jeshaiah, Hashabiah, and Mattithiah, six, under the hands of their father Jeduthun, who prophesied with a harp, to give thanks and to praise the LORD."The sons of Jeduthun; Gedaliah, and Zeri, and Jeshaiah, Hashabiah, and Mattithiah, six."
25:4 Of Heman: the sons of Heman: Bukkiah, Mattaniah, Uzziel, Shebuel, and Jerimoth, Hananiah, Hanani, Eliathah, Giddalti, and Romamtiezer, Joshbekashah, Mallothi, Hothir, and Mahazioth:
25:5 All these were the sons of Heman the king's seer in the words of God, to lift up the horn. And God gave to Heman fourteen sons and three daughters.
25:6 All these were under the hands of their father for song in the house of the LORD, with cymbals, psalteries, and harps, for the service of the house of God, according to the king's order to Asaph, Jeduthun, and Heman.
25:7 So the number of them, with their brethren that were instructed in the songs of the LORD, even all that were cunning, was two hundred fourscore and eight.
25:8 And they cast lots, ward against ward, as well the small as the great, the teacher as the scholar.
25:9 Now the first lot came forth for Asaph to Joseph: the second to Gedaliah, who with his brethren and sons were twelve:
25:10 The third to Zaccur, he, his sons, and his brethren, were twelve:
25:11 The fourth to Izri, he, his sons, and his brethren, were twelve:
25:12 The fifth to Nethaniah, he, his sons, and his brethren, were twelve:
25:13 The sixth to Bukkiah, he, his sons, and his brethren, were twelve:
25:14 The seventh to Jesharelah, he, his sons, and his brethren, were twelve:
25:15 The eighth to Jeshaiah, he, his sons, and his brethren, were twelve:
25:16 The ninth to Mattaniah, he, his sons, and his brethren, were twelve:
25:17 The tenth to Shimei, he, his sons, and his brethren, were twelve:
25:18 The eleventh to Azareel, he, his sons, and his brethren, were twelve:
25:19 The twelfth to Hashabiah, he, his sons, and his brethren, were twelve:
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Overflowing with wisdom? Go ahead and try it yourself.

The concept of the Bible makes it important, the book is largely unimportant. Even after being able to read it, most people today don't... and rightly so.
Debate Round No. 1
Solarman1969

Pro

Well ,thanks for having the guts to take up the debate, and Merry Christmas to you and your family- I hope it was nice, and you got some good presents , evn if you dont beleive in Santa Claus : )

Now, just to start with the actual debate topic, that being the Bible is the single most important book of all time in the history of man

(you will have to come up with another to win the debate in the end)

The Bible is actually a library of 66 books, written by 44 authors over a period of about 1500 years. The 39 books of the Old Testament were composed between 1400 and 400 B.C., the 27 books of the New Testament between A.D. 50 and 100.

The Bible was divided into chapters by Stephen Langton about A.D. 1228. The Old Testament was divided into verses by R. Nathan in A.D. 1448 and the New Testament by Robert Stephanus in A.D. 1551. The entire Bible divided into chapters and verses first appeared in the Geneva Bible of 1560.

the Bible is the best selling book of all time ,and over 100 million are sold every single year

It has been placed by the Gideons in every hotel room in the United States

The Bible is unique. Why?

It was written over a period of 1600 years.

Written by more than 40 authors of every sort - kings, poor people, fishermen, poets, government officials, teachers, prophets.
Written in three languages.
Written on three continents - Asia, Africa, and Europe.
Is there any other book in daily use by millions of people, around the world, parts of which were written over 3000 years ago, yet which still speaks to us today?
There are other writings as old as this, but they are all in museums, and have no relevance to the world today!
There are about 6,800 distinct languages in the world, the Bible has been translated (at least in part) into around 3000 of those languages?

So clearly, it is the most widely distributed and read book on the planet , by orders of magnitude over and other publication.

And its importance to people over time and today ?

unbeleivable.

It is BANNED by the Chinese ? Hardly any other pubications are- why ?

It is what OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS TAKE THEIR OATH OF OFFICE ON

(except for the first time keith Ellison (D- Mn) who swore in on a Qu-ran- a horrid work of Satan , in my opinion- and he should be thrown out of office for that! )

So that pretty much ends the debate, but I will go on and address your arguments.

YOUR ARGUMENTS

(1) I said that there simply isn't much in the way of wisdom in the Bible. A few bits here and there, but for the most part if you open the book to a random page you'll more likely find somebody being killed than some wisdom staring back at you.

Well heres some basic wisdom

Proverbs of Solomon

1 The proverbs of Solomon:

A wise son brings joy to his father,
but a foolish son grief to his mother.

2 Ill-gotten treasures are of no value,
but righteousness delivers from death.

3 The LORD does not let the righteous go hungry
but he thwarts the craving of the wicked.

4 Lazy hands make a man poor,
but diligent hands bring wealth.

5 He who gathers crops in summer is a wise son,
but he who sleeps during harvest is a disgraceful son.

6 Blessings crown the head of the righteous,
but violence overwhelms the mouth of the wicked. [a]

7 The memory of the righteous will be a blessing,
but the name of the wicked will rot.

8 The wise in heart accept commands,
but a chattering fool comes to ruin.

9 The man of integrity walks securely,
but he who takes crooked paths will be found out.

10 He who winks maliciously causes grief,
and a chattering fool comes to ruin.

11 The mouth of the righteous is a fountain of life,
but violence overwhelms the mouth of the wicked.

12 Hatred stirs up dissension,
but love covers over all wrongs.

13 Wisdom is found on the lips of the discerning,
but a rod is for the back of him who lacks judgment.

14 Wise men store up knowledge,
but the mouth of a fool invites ruin.

15 The wealth of the rich is their fortified city,
but poverty is the ruin of the poor.

16 The wages of the righteous bring them life,
but the income of the wicked brings them punishment.

17 He who heeds discipline shows the way to life,
but whoever ignores correction leads others astray.

18 He who conceals his hatred has lying lips,
and whoever spreads slander is a fool.

19 When words are many, sin is not absent,
but he who holds his tongue is wise.

20 The tongue of the righteous is choice silver,
but the heart of the wicked is of little value.

21 The lips of the righteous nourish many,
but fools die for lack of judgment.

22 The blessing of the LORD brings wealth,
and he adds no trouble to it.

23 A fool finds pleasure in evil conduct,
but a man of understanding delights in wisdom.

24 What the wicked dreads will overtake him;
what the righteous desire will be granted.

25 When the storm has swept by, the wicked are gone,
but the righteous stand firm forever.

26 As vinegar to the teeth and smoke to the eyes,
so is a sluggard to those who send him.

27 The fear of the LORD adds length to life,
but the years of the wicked are cut short.

28 The prospect of the righteous is joy,
but the hopes of the wicked come to nothing.

29 The way of the LORD is a refuge for the righteous,
but it is the ruin of those who do evil.

30 The righteous will never be uprooted,
but the wicked will not remain in the land.

31 The mouth of the righteous brings forth wisdom,
but a perverse tongue will be cut out.

32 The lips of the righteous know what is fitting,
but the mouth of the wicked only what is perverse.

Now your next argument

As for the things you say are "INCREDIBLY important" I will accept that morality is important. However, I don't believe that has anything to do with religion. Religion and morality have about as much to do with each other as eye color and eye sight.

This is preposterous on the face of it

The world became civilized becuase of the teachings of the bible, the ten commandments, the teachings of the buddha, Hinduism, and the other great world religions.

If you dont beleive in religion, why not

kill? rape? steal? Lie? cheat?

who is to then say what is black and white, good and evil, right and wrong.

On what basis was our civil society and laws formed?

DUH!

next point

I said that the Poor Richard's Almanack had more wisdom.

You can have that opinion- it certainly isnt true, and certainly you're not going to argue that Poor Richards Almanac is even 1/10000 as important a book

next argument by you

You pull a bizarre theory out of your hind-end about Jesus running away to India and learning about the Buddha. First off, no. Secondly, hell no.

So where was Jesus for those 18 years? please explain your sources on his whereabouts

Have you read the Essenes works and studies of Jesus during this period?

he was SOMEWHERE DOING SOMETHING WASNT HE?

AND GEE! The Buddha was alive 500 years earlier, wasnt he?

Ok now analyze the fact that BOTH JESUS AND THE BUDDHA say they sat under a tree for some period of time, found enlightenment after 40 days and nights of fasting, the devil/Mara appears and tempts Jesus/Buddha with (1) all the worlds riches and (2) imminent painful death and (3) temptation

they summarily reject that, then enlightenment

peace love understanding, etc
Tatarize

Con

"The Bible is actually a library of 66 books, written by 44 authors over a period of about 1500 years. The 39 books of the Old Testament were composed between 1400 and 400 B.C., the 27 books of the New Testament between A.D. 50 and 100."

Many more authors, and the NT was composed later than you suggest.

Again, it isn't a book. It's a series of books.

It isn't important as a book, it's quite important as a concept. I doubt that a significant number Christians have read the text, nor do they really need to. It's more important as a concept.

1) You're a moron. The Chinese ban the crap out of books.
2) You're a bigot. Keith Ellison swore into office on Jefferson's Koran. The Koran also, directly makes for pretty much the entire situation in the middle east (pretty important if you ask me).
3) The Bible isn't unique in that it was written over 1600 years. Frankly, the constant editing should give people pause.
4) People aren't civilized because of the ten commandments. Our law system is taken from English common law, 7/10 of the commandments are unconstitutional, 1 is rendered moot by the 6th amendment, the other two are universal to all law codes in history.
5) "If you dont beleive in religion, why not? kill? rape? steal? Lie? cheat?" -- Are you serious?
6) "So where was Jesus for those 18 years? please explain your sources on his whereabouts" -- You're right. There's no evidence for Jesus at all, much less for those years. Clearly this means he flew to India and stole all the Buddha's nifty sayings.
7) "BOTH JESUS AND THE BUDDHA say they sat under a tree for some period of time, found enlightenment after 40 days and nights of fasting, the devil/Mara appears and tempts Jesus/Buddha with (1) all the worlds riches and (2) imminent painful death and (3) temptation" -- Your final point is pretty typical to the overarching comparisons between different stories. They are almost always this one included completely wrong. Stretching the story to unacceptable extents. These arguments are pretty weak. People should not use them.

Beyond ranting about crazy stuff? Are you going to address my counter arguments? The Bible is very important though the actual text is unneeded, in fact, Christians weren't even able to read it for a long period of time. It was reserved to the priests and later to the literate and even today people don't care to read it at all. You apparently haven't read it either, for the most part you come off completely ignorant of it's content. You argue that it's the most important book in history and yet don't have a coherent idea of what is in it? It's important as a concept, the text seems to be largely ignored. Ignoring the Bible, in full or in part, is required for moral behavior.
Debate Round No. 2
Solarman1969

Pro

I have an old saying for liberals who I argue with

When you insult me. you have lost the argument

1) You're a moron. The Chinese ban the crap out of books.
2) You're a bigot

Thus, you have lost the argument

again, give me another book that is more important- you cant

good luck trying and I hope your happy winning the vote even though you have lost as everyone who debates me does

take care
Tatarize

Con

>>When you insult me. you have lost the argument

So you're conceding the argument?

- mr atheist
- AVID atheists
- you ACLU types
- if you have the guts to debate a real scholar
- ardent atheist boy
- smearing the good Christians
- scum liberal socialist media
- kill? rape? steal? Lie? cheat? (Admittedly you may just be ignorant here)

Frankly, you've been insulting since the start of this "debate" which has consisted of apparently bizarre rants on your part and corrections on my part. The Chinese ban plenty of books, heck Alice in Wonderland is banned in China (on the grounds that animals shouldn't talk) but the Bible isn't. There have been grumblings here and there but outright banning is a myth. It really takes a lot of ignorance in this regard to make such a comment.

"2) You're a bigot"

I note that you clipped off the justification. That statement was entirely justified.

"2) You're a bigot. Keith Ellison swore into office on Jefferson's Koran. The Koran also, directly makes for pretty much the entire situation in the middle east (pretty important if you ask me)."

To your comments:

(except for the first time keith Ellison (D- Mn) who swore in on a Qu-ran- a horrid work of Satan , in my opinion- and he should be thrown out of office for that! )

-- I sorry but this Islamophobic hate speech is indicative of bigotry. I have plenty of good arguments against Islam most on the grounds that it is highly anti-enlightenment abusing free speech where they are but refusing to allow it themselves. They need a good dose of enlightenment thinking.

The "most important book" wasn't actually my original point. Though, I'm happy to debate on the issue. I simply pointed out that the Bible isn't wisdom on every page. I do wonder why you are a Buddhist who believes the Bible to be filled with wisdom and the Koran to be a book of the "Satan" -- Buddhist who believes the Koran is the work of Satan... Satan of Christian tradition?

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My apologies to the readers for straying a bit from the debate. My arguments are in there, though replying to nutty theory ofter odd rant... makes my them look a little haphazard. To be clear, the topic of the debate is the topic of the debate. Solarman was making a straw man of comments I made in the comments of another debate, I was pointing that out. We shouldn't lose the point.

"The Bible is the most important book of all time."

Con.

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Principia, The Koran, Origin of Species, Dictionary, Alice in Wonderland, Common Sense, Immediate not Gradual Abolition, The Torah, etc. My main point is that the Bible is important as a concept in western Christianity. Most western Christians don't know what is in the Bible, and previously weren't allowed or able to read it for much of history. There's a saying that the Bible is the most direct path to atheism, because, when one actually looks at the words... the concept crumbles. It is hard to view the Bible as filled with important wisdom when one has read the words within it.

You have not addressed my argument, rather you responded to them with "This is preposterous on the face of it" -- Why? If it is, show that it is... don't go on some kind of odd rant in every direction. From attacks on congressmen for being Muslim to odd completely absurd theories about Jesus running over to India to steal sayings from the Buddha.

My central argument has been that the Bible is important as a symbol, not as a book. How much biblical knowledge does your average Christian have? Not very much. How much of the story of Alice in Wonderland do they know? Pretty much all of it.

In Islam everybody has to read the Koran and are all pretty consistent with it's application. If you for example, name a teddy bear Muhammad that's clearly idolatry and you are to be killed. Whereas in Christianity drawing a picture of a fish violates the second commandment and nobody cares. That's been ignored since the 8th century after the iconoclastic controversy. Whereas in Saudi Arabia they *ACTUALLY* would punish you for drawing a fish.

Which book do I think is really the most important book of all time: Principia. Enlightenment thinking in the west has tamed our law codes and made them consist of reasonable punishments and reasonable crimes. Enlightenment thinking and moreover the generate-and-test origins for our law codes and for all of modern science arise from Newton. Certainly, one needs to take into account that the foundation of science and the scientific method may, in fact, be a little bit more important than a book nobody seems to read, previously could read or were allowed to read. Without modern science, I wouldn't be here. I would be dead. That makes such things a wee bit more important I'd say.

Finally, let me make another quick point. You never actually said why the Bible was important. You justified that it consisted of multiple books and that it tends to sell very well. However, by that metric the Da Vinci Code is important rather than a steaming pile of trash. It contains some wisdom, which you readily admit is found elsewhere, in sources which predate the Bible? Your entire argument has been based on the assumption we were here to debate, that the Bible is the most important book of all time. You didn't even attempt to credit western culture (which is by and large shaped by enlightenment principles). This is your argument:

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The Bible is actually a library of 66 books, written by 44 authors over a period of about 1500 years. The 39 books of the Old Testament were composed between 1400 and 400 B.C., the 27 books of the New Testament between A.D. 50 and 100.

The Bible was divided into chapters by Stephen Langton about A.D. 1228. The Old Testament was divided into verses by R. Nathan in A.D. 1448 and the New Testament by Robert Stephanus in A.D. 1551. The entire Bible divided into chapters and verses first appeared in the Geneva Bible of 1560.

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Nothing you have said establishes one shred toward the premise you were to prove. That the Bible is the most important book of all time. I spent my time refuting your odd rants because you had no argument!

Most important book, Principia. Give me modern science, western culture, epistemological foundations for modern laws and reasonable methods for determining who is right and who is wrong. Certainly there aren't groups of people putting copies of Principia in hotel rooms, but there are people curing diseases by using the scientific method laid out by Newton. With the Bible, the book is the idea... it is a concept and symbol and highly important as such, though the actual text of the work is fairly moot. However, with Principia the book is almost unheard of, but ideas have shaped and molded our modern society in extremely important ways. I wouldn't be here without these ideas, the Bible... probably could say anything else and our civilization would largely be identical.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Retrospace 9 years ago
Retrospace
I hope he accepts, it will be a good debate, considering the passion he has behind said topic.
Posted by Tatarize 9 years ago
Tatarize
I challenged him on the topic of youth.

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Posted by Retrospace 9 years ago
Retrospace
Solarman..............

I've willing to bet i've learned more, been through more, had more trials and tribulations, seen more, and thought more in the past 5 years, then you will in a life time.

Age is no standard of what someone knows. If you want to argue this, challenge me to a debate, on the topic.
Posted by Tatarize 9 years ago
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Solarman, I assume you're well beyond your teens and you have no more sense about you than a goldfish. I've met some teens with such wits about them and depth of understanding that I was hard pressed to contain my jealously. I wish I had been that brilliant as a teen. Sometimes, youth isn't wasted on the young.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
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so what do you think you know when youre 18?

not much, although ingorantly you think you know it all

only after many more years and life lessons to you begin to get it

there are no exceptions

By the PPP in Pakistan nominating Benezhir's son, who is only 19 and is still a student at Oxford, they are making themselves out to be fools and Oligarchs

Who the HELL is going to be able to tackle that hostile mess that is Pak at 19?

What a JOKE
Posted by Tatarize 9 years ago
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Everybody younger than him is wrong by default. You should not even regard their arguments as arguments because the arguments are made by young people. -- It's a clear genetic fallacy. Ad Hom at its best.
Posted by Retrospace 9 years ago
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If I may ask, What's up with the age insults/challenges, Solarman?

Not trying to start anything, just wondering why you feel the need to add those little quirks into your comments. They make you look really immature and rude.

And I lol'd a bit at this quote...

"I try and bait the antheist/ commie/ lib/ america haters"

Not because I agree and what not, just because of how ignorant it came across.

Although I can't seem to figure out what an aNtheist is...
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
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what do I care what you think, middle schooler?

give me a break!

and as far as the ACLU debate- why dont you go to that one specifically, where I propose disbanding it as a criminal enterprise under the RICO statutes?

chime in on THAT, if you dare!
Posted by sethgecko13 9 years ago
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Solarman -

That's a pretty serious allegation that you're making about the ACLU. I'm only aware of one former ACLU member (a former state chapter president in Virginia named Charles Rust-Tierney) who was convicted of possessing child pornography.

If you have other examples - the onus is on you to cite sources to document the obnoxious claims you're making.
Posted by Tatarize 9 years ago
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Scared? Why? I'll take as many free wins as you want to give me.
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